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To Everyone Who Says "There is always something you could have done"...

Stephenizgod··9 votes·609 views

No... there is not always something you could have done... Before i could go back to buy my first item at around 7 minutes we were already down 7 kills. 5 minutes later we are down 12 kills and my lane, whom i only died once to, is now 5/1 in the time it took me to which leaves me no way of fighting him. The worst part is he isn't even the most fed person on their team, so I am 0/1 with pretty crappy farm since my lane opponent can now 2 shot me. We are at our inhib in all lanes and one of our nexus turrets is gone, it is 17 minutes... What can i do to win that?

Second game, Lee doesnt take smite... Kat and Yi realized this and began fucking all lanes as aggressive as they could. Me and cait tried to win lane but when 4 ppl dive you under turret for the 4th time... what can you do?

Seriously please tell me what i can do instead of "oh there is always something you can do" because that doesn't help me, hindsight is always 20/20, its too late to change what happened how do i stop it from happening again...

Edit1: Just played a game, one guy bans another guys champ on purpose to troll him. That guy then says he is going to feed, and he does. He doesn't only feed his lane but the enemy jg and my lane. So instead of immediately giving up i tried and you know what? we started to come back, but nope we couldnt pull out of the shit hole he had dug.

Edit2: Just played a game, the enemy team had an AFK, they put up a valiant effort but our numbers advantage allowed us to push several lanes at once and win teamfights. They had no jg pressure (it was their JG who AFK'd) and our Kindred got a ton of stacks very quickly allowing her to basically 4 shot most opponents. There was a moment when they almost got to our base but then we grouped and destroyed them. There was not much they could have done against us.

13 Comments

GinjabredMonsta2 votes

How did your opponent get fed in the first game? Roaming or crap jungle initiations?

Stephenizgod2 votes

A little of both, I can't blame them much for dying to him in teamfights but seeing as our bot was intentionally feeding, i feel it was on purpose.

Stephenizgod2 votes

Feel free to downvote... We both know its true, right now in the current state of the game when one team gets a significant lead early on it almost never becomes a come back. Sometimes the game is over before you personally had a chance to effect it.

DeloricVI2 votes

I agree with this thread so much. Some people in Gold don't know (or remember) the terror that is facing down a Shaco that ganked top and bot until he has half his build finished and 5 levels on you before coming mid and casually eviscerating you with like... one spell and an auto attack.

I hate people as well that say we're just whining. Like, what the fuck am I supposed to do at this point? Rush Zhonias? Play Safe? Help other lanes? Rushing Zhonia's is an oxymoron because it takes forever to build it, playing safe doesn't help when someone can 2-shot you, and aside form babysitting the other lanes constantly, how the fuck are you supposed to know they need help? Be clairvoyant? Know exactly when and where this guy is going to come from? Even if you ward, that doesn't mean everyone else does, especially if you're bronze, and if only one person and the support wards... well, the map isn't exactly going to be lit up like a Christmas tree, let's just say that.

I mean, you can't stop people from making bad choices. It's not an excuse not to improve... but seriously, sometimes someone feeds so hard and so fast, your team is put so far behind that the enemy team would need to throw for you to come back.

Stephenizgod2 votes

Exactly! There is a lot that you can do, but not much you can do to win. I'm not talking 30 minutes in, im talking 5 minutes before you yourself have a chance to even do anything in your own lane, the game is already over... How can I carry 4 teammates when I have half of an item and im being camped by 2+ people? "There is always something you can do" you mean like surrender? because thats what i try to do but then someone claims that we can still win... its 9-32 at 12 minutes and we are at our inhibs... not a chance in hell are we winning this...

DeloricVI1 votes

Well, I have to say I disgree that you should surrender, especially if you're bronze or silver...

The throws are always possible >.>

Stephenizgod1 votes

If they have maybe 1 or 2 towers over us, then i dont surrender. If we can kill around 3 of them in teamfights, i wont surrender. If we have no more turrets outside our base and they are getting baron, i will surrender. So far I have never lost a game when i was that far ahead, so far i have never won a game where the enemy team was that far ahead.

There is a point of no return where a come-back is just not possible. In my example, i had 70 farm and only 2 half items and was trying to defend our inhib turrets. There is no comeback in that, to me its best to surrender.

DeloricVI1 votes

In pre-gold ranked, teams don't know how to close games, most of the time. Yeah, sometimes it seems like a waste of time and you'd be correct. But there is a chance that giving away the game to the enemy team could be a bad idea; your chances of a comeback are slim, but if you forfeit, your chances are zero.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea i totally agree, I know that games can be thrown, i have been on those teams lol. My point was there is a very obvious point where you just know there is nothing you can do. Its when the enemy no longer needs to close, their minions will do it for them. The enemy just needs to show up, they don't even need to do anything and the minions will end the game. Just by having pressure in 2 lanes you can win a game by letting the 3rd lane push, this is what most people do because they don't know how to rotate properly or split push. Thanks to the minion mechanics, their minions will walk through your minions and the paper turrets all by themselves.

If my teammates are being dumb and pushing Mid which has no Inhib instead of rotating bot or top, I will tell them to just stall the enemy while minions win the game. It's better than them trying to end the game and throwing hard when they make a mistake. They don't always listen because they are cocky, but a lot of the time it works we just go bot or top and stall them while the other lanes push by themselves because the enemy can't afford to send someone to stop it.

This is that point where you can't really win if the enemy doesn't suicide for no reason. You can't fight because 2 or more of their people can 1v5 and you can't protect your base because minions are pushing too hard.

Myrkrvaldyr2 votes

That's true, I was in a ranked game and my lane was doing very well, but other lanes weren't so much, their Voli got fed to the point he was some levels ahead of everyone, super tanky and several items already, even in a 1vs.5 he could still kill us... and some of us said ''we can still win'', holy shit, HOW!? He can basically kill us all alone, there's no way to win that.

Indominus Don1 votes

i think its less about being able to win every game and more about learning something every game. like just as an example, if you're going against a shaco, and he gives you problems, then maybe try invading him early and putting him behind. or roam to a pushed lane early and try a counter gank. there are lots of games that are a loss because of other people, but i guarantee that you could learn something from the loss and get better.

Stephenizgod1 votes

This is true! I learned something about Yasuo the other day. When he stands on his Windwall he can block all projectiles from all sides. Galio can't heal off of Poppy's second Q part with his W, it does full damage. So even though I get crushed I do learn a few things, which is nice.

Kaxi1 votes

That comment is both true and false. It's moreso a reflective comment that you should ask yourself during and after each game of "what do I need to do" or "what could I have done". Some games are just unwinnable, and you don't know that until there's an insurmountable lead or until it's over. It's supposed to be a prompt that makes you think out of the box. Come up with a unique solution to that specific scenario (like a lane swap or even roam) and try to apply it in the future. While you can't win every game, it does help so that you can find more ways to pull out a victory. Try to come up with different solutions each time. Sure, it's not always going to work, but at least the knowledge you've gained from an introspective reflection can help in future games.

This is what we call experience and wisdom. :)

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