Even tho all the hate , riot still amazes me.

Yi Bencheikh··109 votes·4,067 views
  • No pay to win or buy to play / pay to play.
  • They gave and still give free skins , heck they even gave us hextech skins option i got like 8 awesome skins from it without spending a cent on buying boxes . And still able to maintain the high popularity of their game ( no league loosing their players is a myth ) , people who work at riot still give astonishing works amazing artworks written stories amazing character design and amazing voice acting and music for diffirent themes , even tho it is still their only game for now which means their only source of money. One of the few famous game companies that actually communicates with their players , their game developpers are not the kind that which doesn't even seen to care about communicating with their players on the forums , even they are busy whole time they still try to give some time for the people who play their game , best example riot meddler and fizz enthuasiast ( if i spelled his name right xD ) ...etc Sure it is still have negatives sides , such as the bad side of the community , and some gameplay balance problems but league is not the only popular game that does have balance problems and best example is WoW , even if i am not good at such things i hope i get a correct answer why things such as '' balance problems '' exist and why do some of them persist for longer periods of time. Keep up the good work riot . [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] ( i am not a native english speaker so my english is bad )

149 Comments

Zyorhist47 votes

all around riot is a company I enjoy interacting with. the only problems I've ever had were with the players not the company.

Amihan11 votes

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all around riot is a company I enjoy interacting with. the only problems I've ever had were with the players not the company.

a sad truth

IcyPepper8 votes

It's more of an opinion... Riot isn't perfect, but nobody is.

Automated Riven4 votes

Do you have friends??

garren93 votes

Was that really called for?

Automated Riven3 votes

my comment was poorly worded. but the point I was trying to get across was that Tombdragon has friends. They are not perfect but he still enjoys interacting with them. To dismiss a company because they make mistakes is simply shallow at best. Its fair to point out that someones experience with riot is based on their opinion. but to (in the same comment) criticize that and call out riot for being composed of humans who are not perfect is simply rude.

I was going to reply with something simular but I probably should have simply put my original thoughts into the first post without waiting for the answer. So I apologize for being distasteful and honestly cruel.

garren92 votes

Lol I mean I wasn't I wasn't suprised considering you're a Riven main. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/925/494/218.png_large

Automated Riven3 votes

Well I do make it a point not to be a complete dick. Sometimes I fail because I forget to think about how what I say can come across to people. The way I envisioned that exchange going was tombdragon responding with something like YA DUH!!! and then I would use that as context for my next post where I would put something roughly the same as what I just did.

Obviously I was a dickhead.

garren92 votes

nah man I gotchu I was just makin a goof.

Automated Riven3 votes

I never know if people are being serious or not about me being a riven main :/

Stryker6IX2 votes

As someone who has semi-regretfully spent hundreds of dollars on this their free game... I don't mind spending money on them, I just wish they gave me more back...

BlackHairedGirl3 votes

(tbh I'm looking over the things Riot has done in the past and goodness its sweet)

NiceTryVi3 votes

Except for the fact that Meddler is actual garbage at his job and the game is never near a semblance of balance...

Electro5227 votes

There has to be that one guy, isn't there?

Congrats on being that one guy.

MrHaZeYo3 votes

The problem is that this game just can't be truly balanced, now of the Mobas are or can be.

Dextix LT2 votes

It can, you just need to put actual effort in......

MrHaZeYo1 votes

No it honestly can not.

Dextix LT1 votes

Dota 2 is balanced, smite is balanced. All it takes is effort and vision.

Jorencice2 votes

Sources? Last I checked on dots 2 they had just given nerfs to some guy who hit 70% winrate.

Dextix LT1 votes

Source - Playing the game and knowing how it is balanced, unlike you who has never ever played dota in his life, yet talks as if he knows anything.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Hate to tell you, but Dota isn't completely balanced. Each patch has strong champions, and weak champions. Dota does do well to emphasize hero strengths and weaknesses, but at the end of the day, that game is never in a truly balanced state.

I don't know much about smite but from the limited to time I did play and read up on it, it still has again, strong and weak gods/goddesses.

So yes these games may be more balanced then League, but they are not truly balanced.

Trayven1 votes

I play Dota quite a bit. It's my 3rd favorite MOBA. Right behind Overwatch. It's not balanced. I wish it was but it isn't. You can never truly balance MOBAs because people are always finding ways to unbalance them. Whether it's through build, strategies, champ buffs/nerfs, play style etc.

Dextix LT1 votes

But it IS balanced, all champs are viable, there are hunreds of different strategies, counter and so on. It has perfect imbalance in its gameplay, every champ has strenght and weaknesses, and unlike in LOL every champ is actually viable and playable.

Trayven1 votes

All Champs in League are viable if you know what your doing. Dota ISN'T balanced sadly. There are way more OPs in DOTA than there are in League right now.

Dextix LT1 votes

All champions? HAH. Maybe in bronze, higher upa lot of champions become completely unviable.

Also, yes, there are more op champs in dota, because they are ALL op. That is why it is balanced, because when everyone is op, noone is. I will also ask if all champs in league are so viable, why is there so much more diversity in Dota games when compared to LOL games?

Trayven1 votes

Not all champs in Dota are OP. There are a bunch that are trash. That's why you never see them. In low elo and normal of course the games are going to look the same. It's when you get into high elo that things diversify. Same with Dota. There's the meta champs that are broken and are always played. Also, in both games people have comfort picks. Champions they have come to love and have mastered their kits.

Silly Neeko16 votes

And their support team is top noche too. I normally get a reply back within a few hours...... They try to help to the best of their ability.... They are straight forward while still retaining a calm, cool, and sometimes even entertaining feed back.

Some even go an extra step and add their own personal touch... one even sent a funny video at the end lol

Yi Bencheikh9 votes

it is false that they have automated answers i've made like dozens of tickets and i make jokes with their support team and they reply with another jokes or react to the joke so no they don't have copy paste replies

Jacøb Rıven8 votes

It's not false that they have automated answers. They even made a thread about it themselves. Read up before you spit false facts.

DuskDaUmbreon8 votes

Automated answers do exist, but they're typically only used for cookie-cutter cases, or initial checks (have you tried these generic methods to fix it yet; Attach (x) document, and (y) spec, so that we can help; etc.).

NineTailedMystic8 votes

I think Riot is great. They've been lacking on the actual gameplay portion of the game, but they still try. They try to talk to us about things, what's up with how they're headed. I heard some Rioters went to champion main subreddits to get feedback on work for the champion. The lore and art team are great people. One of them even told me what was up when I was upset about the Ahri lore changes. Player Support guys are always helping people out, since they always flood the Red Tracker.

They may not be the best developers or make all the right decisions, but they're great people.

Dextix LT2 votes

I heard some Rioters went to champion main subreddits to get feedback on work for the champion

And how did that work out huh? Mordekaiser, aatro, malzahar, kog'maw, do i need to continue? I don't remember them asking ANY feedback on those.

NineTailedMystic3 votes

some

Marshbouy5 votes

Some guy asked me "isn't the balance in league shit"(IRL) and I didn't really know what to say. For LCS it's not that great at the best of times and abysmal most of the time but for the normal players it's rarely unbearable.

You look at another MOBA like Dota2 and the balancing for the average player sucks ass. Certain heroes have 60% winrates and 40% playrates, while others are stuck at 35% winrates and .1% playrates. That doesn't seem super fun IMO.

Anidan2 votes

From a DotA2 player: it's not as bad as it sounds. The game is balanced for high level play for the most part, and this means that you "grow into" the balance and skill necessary to play the game, it isn't ever made to accommodate you and that can feel very rewarding. A lot of people can also play those 40% winrate heroes and do just fine even in pugs (I myself have a good record on Enchantress and she's one of my favorite heroes to play, for example). The thing is that a lot of those lower winrate champions have specific win conditions and that can require good teamwork and communication, like Chen, Io, and Enchantress. Some of them are down there because they could be flat-out abusive at high-level play and are hard to play well in the first place, like Arc Warden and Visage so any notable negative change affects pub play immensely.

It's fun if you want a more mechanically intensive and complex game as a whole, but it's not for everyone nor should anyone claim it is. Just like Heroes of the Storm isn't for everybody, nor is League for everybody.

Marshbouy2 votes

That's the one part I shortened to a footnote. IMO dota2's balancing sucks ass, but to others it's what game balancing should be like. Different games attract different people

Anidan3 votes

Is what it is :) I personally don't like League's balance, but I have my own games to play for that kind of thing. I tend to comment more on the design than the balance itself as a result, when I can help it. League is a fun game

NiceTryVi3 votes

The issue with league is that 10 champs at a time run away with the game, but in Dota, half of the heros in the game are just as overpowered as each other, so you still have choices. In League, Lucian and Xayah are pick/ban, and so are Fizz, Darius, etc. So there are more OP bullshit champs than we can ban, and if only one gets through, the other team is screwed. In Dota, you just fight fire with fire and it ends up working out. Kinda like if half the roster is Lee, and the other half is Urgot. Urgot is still playable, but only by people who know him. Meanwhile, everyone and their brother plays Lee, and do well anyway.

Xhaust1235 votes

Riot is full of brain dead skinny virgins who feel intimidated by those who actually have lives and like to play the game its meant to be played - competitively. My friend and I both got perma banned on accounts we spent a lot of money on (skins, champs, etc.) which is absolutely disgusting. They allow little blonde bang punk kids to judge people in the tribunal which is absolutely ridiculous. They are among one of the shittiest companies ever created and only care about money. All elements of real competitive games, such as trash talking which is the basis of competitive gaming gets penalized in this game. Perma banning players who have supported your company is like a spit in the face. Would love to see some of these game developers in person and smash there teeth in. Nothing pisses me off more than shitty devs or riot employees who are insecure and piss themselves when they see any profanity. If you are going to ban players permanently, refund them all money spend on this shit hole game. I sense a huge law suit incoming- for fraud, thievery, etc.

GET A GRIP RIOT

Legacy Hydralpha8 votes

Well, that was a roller coaster from start to finish. You mentioned you got permabanned even though you spent to so much on the game, you do know that buying things won't make you immune to punishment, right?

Trayven2 votes

I don't think he realizes that. If he is like this on the forums I can only imagine what he was like in game. I can definitely see why the permabanned him.

AgeOfTheMage5 votes

Yeah, I agree, you can still get everything for free, just i'm dumb enough to spend money on the game XD

ModCaptainMårvelous4 votes

Riot does a lot of good but they also do a lot of bad. All this said...

  • Riot's skin model is pretty much the standard across the industry.
  • League's basis served as the status quo to either meet or surpass.
  • Around a 2 week balancing period (I actually can't think of any game like this) means that by the time a patch has shipped, they're already getting data.
  • Riot's communication, while full of hiccups, is pretty damn amazing.

But for bad? They're slow in other categories. They can be headscratching with their desire for data and overall they're problematic in any number of categories such as esports rulings. Riot's a company with a lot of flaws and a lot of good. Just remember that they're a company, not your friend or your enemy.

Hemulen Magi4 votes

I agree.

I made my first account a long time ago when I learned about the game from the Golden Joystick awards. League of Legends was competing for the award against the game I played most back then, Runescape.

Now, many former Runescape players are all too familiar with what happened to that game. There were many contributing factors to its fall, but a very major one, and perhaps the real beginning of the end, was their movement to micro-transactions and pay-to-win features. Jagex, the company who owns and runs Runescape, had long taken a moral stance against pay-to-win in ways such as strict punishment of players trading real money for in-game items from other players. They had also made an effort to prevent player-run gambling in the game.

Then after all this and more, Jagex had some changes of management and someone signed off on the creation of what is essentially a huge and obnoxious roulette wheel built into the game where you can gamble real money to win in-game items, gold, and advantages. They quickly made a lot of horrible decisions that further degraded the game into a quick facebook-esque cash grab, complete with constant popup reminders to spend money...

I always figured League of Legends would die in the same way, especially when Tencent started investing since they bought out Jagex shortly before Runescape was sucked dry. However, Riot seems to be avoiding the same pitfalls that destroyed Jagex. I think it's because Riot is still controlled by the original creators who actually care about their legacy and fans more than the money. Jagex was a much different company when it was run by its founders, the Gower brothers, but the original owner was eventually driven out, stating that he felt he had lost control of the company to internal politics (business management was handled by a hired CEO). I think if Tryndamere or the other founders leave, then their replacements might destroy League of Legends out of greed too.

I also agree that the Hextech Crafting was surprisingly generous to us players in the way it has been implemented. I was paranoid that it was Riot feeling the waters for some new aggressive marketing gimmick, but it seems I was mostly mistaken. It is skewed towards requiring players to pay for keys, but there are no high-pressure tactics involved that would outweigh the original generosity of the free skins. In the end, I feel grateful of Riot regardless of whether I decide to spend money or not. I am glad that they haven't turned to blatant manipulation to "squeeze" players for money, or annoying popup sale ads, or pay-to-win features. I think that Riot will keep going strong if the current management maintains control and they keep their passion for the game without getting greedy. I am usually somewhat cynical, but I have honestly been pleasantly surprised by Riot for the most part, and I think they really have pretty creative, benevolent, capable, and intelligent people in charge.

stone the blacks4 votes

well im native speaker so my english is worser and pissees off gamar nazi

An Actual Ghost3 votes

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  • No pay to win or buy to play / pay to play.

Maybe not with literal $$ (which is great), but I dare you to get even two playable rune pages for less than 20k ip. Not to mention the 16 champions for ranked (soon to be 20 with the 10 ban system).

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

the champ thing isn't bad tho. it forces you to atleast play the game first.

Silly Neeko1 votes

That takes time, not money, same as all things in life including relationships

An Actual Ghost2 votes

Time IS money

Silly Neeko3 votes

Time is a Currency, a universal currency. Money is mostly paper bills and coins.

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