When did criticism/advice become a bad thing?

Kikirino··2 votes·416 views

A few days ago I had a Malphite top that was clearly uncomfortable with engaging so I said "You shouldn't pick an engage champ if you are afraid to engage" and he was against Lulu and build Iceborn first item and our support said "shouldn't iceborn into lulu" and he responds "just ff I don't want to play with people that talk shit for no reason".

Just got out of a match and Amumu tried to force an opportunity to ult and failed and Twitch said "that was a bad ult" and amumu then goes afk and says "negative players lose 60% more games and this is why". When we said that wasn't negative he said that Twitch was attacking him for no reason... It seems like over night giving any sort of advice/criticism is the same as talking shit and it is fucking annoying. If I reacted that way whenever someone called me out on something I did wrong I would still be bronze. I don't rage but if this trend continues that might change. Thinking you are a victim of an imaginary assault pisses me off and thinking advice is negative shows you have no interest in getting better and don't care if it costs your team a match.

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Daen2 votes

Didn't you like just make a thread on this topic?

Criticism/advice isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's one of those situations where it completely depends on the context. I have no idea what might have been said to prompt the Malphite/Amumu to respond in that way, but in the case of the Amumu you can definitely report him for leaving.

Two sides to the coin, and without proper situational knowledge it's pretty much impossible to say anything of note one way or the other. Yes, people can be oversensitive, but at the same time people can also overstep and offend other players without realizing.

Kikirino1 votes

Yes I already made a thread on this but the Amumu situation prompted me to make this one as well. And I know you can only believe so much and it is normal to doubt threads like this that quote one thing but you wonder what was left out but I can promise you to the point that if I could get Riot to link the chat logs I would. What I linked was all that was said to lead up to Amumu going afk and Malph responding like like. After Amumu went afk Twitch and Jinx started talking shit to him for going afk but again, that was after he already went afk.

Daen1 votes

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I know you can only believe so much and it is normal to doubt threads like this that quote one thing but you wonder what was left out

It's less about me doubting you, more that it can be tough for people to see how their words affect others.

What I linked was all that was said to lead up to Amumu going afk and Malph responding like like. After Amumu went afk Twitch and Jinx started talking shit to him for going afk but again, that was after he already went afk.

With the information you've provided, it seems like Amumu was going to get triggered pretty much regardless of what happened. I of course can't see the game's text so I can't say that with certainty, but honestly I think there wasn't much that was going to change the outcome there.

Not saying anything to Amumu might have been enough for him to stay, but at the same time I don't really thing we as players should have to censor ourselves to the point of silence. In any competitive game there's going to be some friction, and I think the best we can really do is to make sure we don't intentionally try to hurt other players with what we say.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Got reported for telling a malz to stop ulting a malphite earlier

Sassmast3r1 votes

This is just my personal opinion, so please by all means down-vote me if it makes you feel better.

Assuming you were playing a normals match, I myself wouldn't mind getting advice, but the thing is... it's a video game. Unless the person asked for it, they probably don't want it. They're just trying to have fun. Not to mention, I'm sure that person knows what they are doing wrong already, so reminding them of that will more than likely frustrate them when they're already trying their best.

Now, assuming you were playing ranked, then these players should have already experienced massive amounts of toxicity just from playing ranked games before, and thus should be able to handle something phrased so nicely in comparison to other rude shit I've seen said in ranked matches before.

In this specific situation, what set the Malphite off probably wasn't just your comment, but rather the supports follow up, in combination with the frustration of having to fight against Lulu as a melee champion. He was more than likely already trying his very best to fight against her, and was already so frustrated that your guys' comments set him off. Did he over-react? I believe so, since he should already have prior experience with this type of negativity. However, understand all of his circumstances in that match and it will make more sense that he did what he did. Amumu is pretty much the same issue here; He already knew he made a mistake, was already frustrated, and his own team's comments set him off. Yes, these are overreactions, especially if these games were ranked matches, but understand that both of them were probably already frustrated and it simply set them off.

What I would suggest in the future if you really want to criticize someone for what they are doing (which I am not saying is bad whatsoever, but rather it's not the best thing to do in these sorts of situations), then try to give them advice in a fashion that's more positive. Say something like "Hey Malphite, I know you're probably very frustrated with your lane right now, but may I suggest that you build x-item against her?" Or to the Amumu: "Hey Amumu, thanks for trying to engage, but is it possible that next time you could maybe wait a little longer until we're all confident we can follow-up?" This will not always work; these people might very well _still _ AFK due to their lack of control over their own emotions. However, you will at least be able to safely say that you did everything you could to try to help out your team.

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