Lyte responded, so can we stop complaining about feeders/afk'ers over flamers?

Beacon 0F Light·9/15/2015, 6:00:51 PM·6 votes·853 views

See Lyte ask.fm roundup here: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/red-post-collection-few-teams-at-riot.html

A couple quotes:

Player: Why is Toxicity such a High Priority, but things like Sandbox, DDOS, Drop Hacking, Solo Queue Trolling, etc are not being implemented. Why are people allowed to Troll in Champion Select, or AFK in a game without consequences, but telling someone to stop getting caught is considered Toxic?

Lyte: We're doing quite a few things to address those other issues actually.

  1. There's a team that works continuously on better protection against DDOS/drophacking.
  2. We (the Player Behavior Team) are working on Team Builder Draft, which is a new champion select experience that solves a lot of the Champ Select problems you see today in Ranked Queues.
  3. We launched the LeaverBuster system earlier this year, which dropped leavers/AFKs by 19-34% (depending on server) in Level 30 games.

Player: Why do you feel verbal toxicity is such a massive issue to tackle? I feel you should be trying to deal with people trolling ingame and choosing to ruin games rather than people that just type angrily on the internet. Thats just my stance on this matter. Gameplay toxicity is much more impactful.‎

Lyte: We've mentioned this before, but on average, the majority of players rank verbal toxicity as more impactful than gameplay toxicity. However, there definitely are some players that would rank the opposite, that gameplay toxicity is more impactful than verbal toxicity. At Riot, we believe both are important issues to tackle, which is why you're seeing a lot more systems tackle gameplay toxicity recently such as LeaverBuster (which reduces leavers/AFKs in the game) and the new Intentional Feeding detection which will go live in 5.18.

Player: What is your stance on the statement "Riot places more emphasis on punishing flamers than punishing feeders/trolls'?

Lyte: We've always taken both problems (verbal toxicity and gameplay toxicity) quite seriously. We launched the new Instant Feedback System that addressed verbal toxicity with instant bans after we launched LeaverBuster, which reduced leavers/AFKs dramatically. These two systems targeted different verbal AND gameplay toxicity issues. We've been working on Intentional Feeders in parallel for awhile, but it was a tougher problem to crack because we have to be very, very careful not to ban players who have occasional bad games (or even really awful games). In other words, it's not that we think verbal toxicity is much more important than gameplay toxicity. We just managed to finish research and development of other systems first.

I think that last line is really important for people to realize. And these all seem like reasonable responses to me.

So to everyone who has been complaining about Riot putting more priority into toxicity over afks/feeders, or those who are even trying to justify their toxic behavior because of the existence of trolls and Riot's "neglecting" of the issue, let it be known that not only does Riot view them as equally punishable, but are implementing systems to reduce intentional feeding as soon as the next patch.

12 Comments

nerak239/15/2015, 6:51:58 PM4 votes

Are you this naïve to think that he is even remotely telling the truth about anything? Really? I have a bridge for sale, very cheap.

The truth is as I see it....Thread +6...your comment...-2 currently..That about sums it up.

Dragfin9/15/2015, 6:27:43 PM3 votes

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See Lyte ask.fm roundup here: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/red-post-collection-few-teams-at-riot.html

A couple quotes:

Player: Why is Toxicity such a High Priority, but things like Sandbox, DDOS, Drop Hacking, Solo Queue Trolling, etc are not being implemented. Why are people allowed to Troll in Champion Select, or AFK in a game without consequences, but telling someone to stop getting caught is considered Toxic?

Lyte: We're doing quite a few things to address those other issues actually.

  1. There's a team that works continuously on better protection against DDOS/drophacking.

  2. We (the Player Behavior Team) are working on Team Builder Draft, which is a new champion select experience that solves a lot of the Champ Select problems you see today in Ranked Queues.

  3. We launched the LeaverBuster system earlier this year, which dropped leavers/AFKs by 19-34% (depending on server) in Level 30 games.

Player: Why do you feel verbal toxicity is such a massive issue to tackle? I feel you should be trying to deal with people trolling ingame and choosing to ruin games rather than people that just type angrily on the internet. Thats just my stance on this matter. Gameplay toxicity is much more impactful.‎

Lyte: We've mentioned this before, but on average, the majority of players rank verbal toxicity as more impactful than gameplay toxicity. However, there definitely are some players that would rank the opposite, that gameplay toxicity is more impactful than verbal toxicity. At Riot, we believe both are important issues to tackle, which is why you're seeing a lot more systems tackle gameplay toxicity recently such as LeaverBuster (which reduces leavers/AFKs in the game) and the new Intentional Feeding detection which will go live in 5.18.

Player: What is your stance on the statement "Riot places more emphasis on punishing flamers than punishing feeders/trolls'?

Lyte: We've always taken both problems (verbal toxicity and gameplay toxicity) quite seriously. We launched the new Instant Feedback System that addressed verbal toxicity with instant bans after we launched LeaverBuster, which reduced leavers/AFKs dramatically. These two systems targeted different verbal AND gameplay toxicity issues. We've been working on Intentional Feeders in parallel for awhile, but it was a tougher problem to crack because we have to be very, very careful not to ban players who have occasional bad games (or even really awful games). In other words, it's not that we think verbal toxicity is much more important than gameplay toxicity. We just managed to finish research and development of other systems first.

I think that last line is really important for people to realize. And these all seem like reasonable responses to me.

So to everyone who has been complaining about Riot putting more priority into toxicity over afks/feeders, or those who are even trying to justify their toxic behavior because of the existence of trolls and Riot's "neglecting" of the issue, let it be known that not only does Riot view them as equally punishable, but are implementing systems to reduce intentional feeding as soon as the next patch.

Are you this naïve to think that he is even remotely telling the truth about anything? Really? I have a bridge for sale, very cheap.

All he did was answer each question just like a politician would by saying nothing.

We need the ability to police ourselves, period, and not some friggin computer that may or may not ban someone unintentionally.

Give us the power to ban people from our elo que for a period of days. If that person truly is toxic then they will get banned by multiple players and if they do not fix their behavior then they will have nobody to play with.

The other side of that coin would be if people banned players for stupid reasons such as they do not want someone who plays their role in their que, etc, etc, then eventually after enough dumb bans they wouldn't have players to play with.

It's that simple of a fix and I have no idea WTF it takes a Ph. D to come up with that.

It would fix the player base and the players that want to be idiots will have nobody to play with.

nerak239/15/2015, 6:13:45 PM2 votes

Thanks for putting that up ;) +1

BakedLotion9/15/2015, 6:20:10 PM2 votes

Why did he say "a majority of players rank verbal toxicity as more impactful than gameplay toxicity" when people never had a poll or survey? Is he just pulling shit out of his ass?

LOLKING MY SIVIR9/15/2015, 6:17:04 PM1 votes

Jeffrey Lin is such an inspiration. Few people at the age of 29 have accomplished as much as he has. He is truly a super-human.

Yakalot9/15/2015, 8:32:57 PM1 votes

I still don't see why people care about toxic players. Mute them. It's done. Nothing to worry about for the next 30min.