How much cs do you have at...?

acnarnoe·10/26/2015, 12:44:35 AM·1 votes·372 views

I'm sorry if Im in the wrong section, but I couldn't find anything more fitting than this one, my question is, how much CS do you need to have at a certain time in the game? at any lane, I know the support doesn't farm, and the jungle is a whole different story, but it's kind of confusing because no matter what I do and check in a custom game, there will always be some sort of zoning coming from the enemy and its just not "perfect" obviously but i just wanted to know. I've seen at worlds that pretty much mid/top/marksmen have around 100 cs at 10-12 min mark. That's all.

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ValyrianBlade10/26/2015, 1:30:20 AM2 votes

More is better, it's that simple.

To give you something to aim for: Minions spawn at 1min30. They take roughly 30sec to get to lane, 30sec more to clear the wave. So at 2:30 you should be clearing the first wave. At 10min you should have cleared 16 waves (5 of which had a cannon) for a total of 101 minions. Each 10min thereafter is another 20 waves (6.67 of which have a cannon) for a total of 126.67 minions.

So 100% CS should result in the following amounts at 10min intervals: 10min - 101 20min - 228 30min - 355 40min - 481

Of course, no one (not even the pros) hits 100% CS. Even if you're a god of last hitting (and no word of a lie, I've had games where I've not missed a last hit for the first 10 minutes) you're still missing CS due to basing for items, roaming, securing dragon, securing kills, etc...

You can also theoretically get 'over' 100% CS - as jungle creeps count towards this as well. So if you get ahead and can fast-clear your wave then go do raptors / krugs / gromp / wolves before the next wave comes you'll develop an xp and gold lead.

Anyways, on to the point: Aim for as high a % of CS as possible. Anything under 50% is unacceptable outside of low bronze (unless you're making a lot happen elsewhere). I'd suggest to start working for 60%. Then 70%, then 80%. Once you get to 80% of the above numbers, you're probably doing a very fine job CS'ing.

To help the metric feel free to count the following: A kill = 15 cs An assist = 10 cs (it's not actually worth that much, but you gave an ally a kill). participated in dragon = 6-10 cs participated in baron = 20cs

On top of that, often times relative CS is more important than absolute CS. If you're Caitlyn bot lane versus Vayne, which situation would you prefer? 20min - Caitlyn at 220cs, Vayne at 180cs vs 20min - Caitlyn at 175cs, Vayne at 90cs

Clearly the latter case is really shutting Vayne down and is more beneficial to your team. It's worth trading heavily, requiring lots of bases, making them miss last hits by pushing in to tower, etc... as long as you're getting more than your lane counterpart. This is especially true if your counterpart scales harder than you (it doesn't matter if you're 6 kills ahead if the enemy hypercarry is 4 kills ahead of any of your allies). Getting off-topic here though, so I'll just stop typing.