Why do people believe in this so called 'elo hell'?

Whichways·Jun 28, 2015·1 votes·1,159 views

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So here's my story, I started in season 5 January 2nd, and got to level 30 some time near march. Right as I got to level 30 I purchased all the 450 IP champs I could and did ranked. I got played in Bronze II, I was thinking wow I thought I would do maybe a bit better and then I just kept playing ranked. A few days later I got all the way down to Bronze IV and I blamed my duo partner because I only lost games when he was there, now at the time he was doing bad, but I wasn't doing any better; we were both brand new to the game thinking we were good, when we were really about as good as a Bronze V on a lucky day.

For the next 6 months I was going up and down in LP but staying in Bronze IV barely playing ranked at all, I was fed up and I didn't think I deserved where I was at. Then I started playing again recently, but I didn't do what I usually did; I didn't just instalock in mid lane and try my best to carry then feed pre level 6, instead I got forced into support. I was angry and flaming thinking that this was going to be the worst game ever because I didn't get my prefered role, but eventually I decided I would play and I did great, everyone had great communication I got some nice picks and everyone had great morale. For the next couple games I kept playing support and I starting climbing. I got to my promotionals and lost them, I was so sad I thought that I had gotten better, but then I kept on playing and then I got to my promos and won them! I was now in Bronze III the only progress I had gotten since way back in march, I was really happy, and I kept on playing. I got on a few win streaks and a few losses too then eventually I got to my promos again after about a day, I won them first try and it was a great feeling knowing that I wasn't as bad as I once thought, I then bought and starting doing even better than I was doing with . A few days later and I am in Bronze II promos I win my first game, it was fantastic, but then I duo'd with my friend and it was chaotic, nobody was doing good we all fed early and we lost it around 30 minutes barely even taking out 2 towers on our side, I was frusturated and I thought this was the end and that I was going to go on a losing streak and get back down to bronze IV (I was losing a lot of normals games before I played this second promo game), but then right after the game was over I took a 10 minute break, I cooled off and then did my last game. We went 35/7, they took out no towers, and they forfeit at 21 minutes. I am finally in Bronze I.

So the moral of this story is to show that it's not impossible to climb, you just have to play something that you are good at; not everyone can be a solo laner, and I guess I'm just a support and I'm perfectly okay with that, every team needs one so it's just going to be me :p I believed in Elo hell for a while, but then it all went away, I think that it's more or less people who want to play carry roles and they haven't tried out the other roles like support, or even top lane to be honest. Not to say a support cannot be a carry.

Although I haven't made it out of bronze yet, I think I'm well on my way and I should be in silver by the end of the summer if I keep up this pace. So what did you do to get out of bronze, or are you still in bronze and you can't get any help to find your way out? Do you believe in "elo hell"?

TL;DR Try out other roles and you're likely to climb the low elo.

31 Comments

ShuffledPancakeJun 28, 20151 votes

You dont understand the concept of elo hell i dont think, its not just bad players, you dont just get stuck their and it isn't your business. The meaning of elo hell. here is a good analogy

Elo Hell is when you're forced to play at a level where you KNOW you can win and exactly how to beat the other team, but you and your team are not skilled enough or lucky enough to do so, and lose.

EDIT: Yes it does contradict, not the point my dear.

Does it exist? Of course it does. Is it the same for every person? No. Can you get out? Yes. How long will it take? Quite long if you're past your placement matches. What's the best way to get out? Be better than everyone you're playing with. ALL the time and play A LOT.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20152 votes

The only thing is if you are better than everyone else there's no reason why your team should lose, 5 bad people vs 4 bad people and a great person means that team B should win right? Now there are some games that are un-carryable, it happens but if you are truly better you should be winning 80% of your games.

ShuffledPancakeJun 28, 20151 votes

bruh, you only need a 55% win rate to be better than your division, thats how you climb.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

In general yes.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

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bruh, you only need a 55% win rate to be better than your division.

55% w/l isn't a big increase, it doesn't mean you're better than everyone there, it just means you're a bit better than adverage.

ShuffledPancakeJun 28, 20151 votes

If you have a 55% win rate you will climb out, drop below you wont. if you climb out you are better.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

The point is having a positive MMR is what you need to climb.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Elo hell is real. Its basically when you are losing more LP then you are winning. For example win a game you get about 10 LP lose a game you lose about 20LP. Also when the matchmaking system matches you with bad players. But that only happens when your mmr goes negative. In which case may the gods show you mercy. Anyways yeah elo hell is real. As long as your MMR is positive you will climb if it gets negative will good luck.

Also your poll is quite biased and really sucks. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

It was meant in a jokingly manor, but yeah the poll could have been better.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Well then in that case I forgot to laugh.

RouterSmiterJun 28, 20151 votes

bc u rushed ranked at lv 30 with no runes, and hardly any champs

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

What part are you refering to? And I did have runes for the record, I was just crap.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Yes but the mistake that noobs make is rushing ranked when they dont even have 500 normal wins.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

Currently I have 335 Normal wins so by that logic I still shouldn't be doing ranked, and I think I disagree with that. I would definitely have a better time if I were to wait till I was better at the game, but one thing that ranked does is help people get better. People punish you for crap mistakes in ranked that they don't do in normals. If you were to only play normals for 500 games then go in ranked, you would probably get smacked, because there's just too many things that nobody has ever punished you for, you don't know what your doing is wrong.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Im sorry but incorrect. look im not saying dont play ranked till you reach a certain number. If you want to play ranked do so on your own accordance. But if you want to get better play normals. If you are having trouble with csing play custom games no one else just you. Doing nothing else but practicing last hitting. 100 cs by 10 mins is perfect.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

Peronsally my biggest problem is going in when I shouldn't, also not paying attention to enemy cooldowns during fights to see if I could win the fight or not. Most of the time my laning phase in ranked goes: I get 4 cs, by the time they have 3 but I lost 50% of my health already and I could barely do 5% to them. Then I back and they win lane. That's usually how it goes.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

That right there is your problem. The reason why you dont know is because you have no experience. If you want to learn and better yourself you need to play normal games. You need the experience. Otherwise you will fall flat on yourself.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

But as I said earlier, in normals you don't get punished for something like that, if I were to just sit there and farm; most of the time they aren't going to poke at me until level 4 or 5 but in ranked they try their best to kill me as fast as possible while still csing.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

The reason why is because of your normal mmr. Believe it or not but the higher your normal mmr is the more challenging the game gets.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

My mmr according to OP.gg is 954, the games in ranked the ELO is about 1000 ish? since it's bronze II to silver V's I get matched with SO that's not a big difference, I don't think it would completely change peoples playstyles?

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Also duoing with other people will mess your MMR up. You should avoid duoing unless its some one with a higher MMR.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

Good to know, before I duo'd because I wanted to play with my friend, and I wanted to do ranked.

Now I only duo when I think that I could use their help in a game I.E. promos or very close.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Wells heres the thing if you are gonna play ranked you need to take it seriously. That means you cant be playing with friends simply because LOL XD XD LETS HAVE FUN!!!

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

I can agree with that, I can't remember the ammount of times I'v played ranked with people who were duo queued and then fed because they were going non-meta champs. It's really annoying for the other people and they don't really understand that. But in the long run, it's a game you're supposed to have fun; so if ranked isn't fun, but it is with a friend who cares if you're in bronze forever?

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Look ranked is not just for lols and giggles. Its for the hardcore player who want to get better at the game. Im not saying dont play ranked for fun but instead dont insult us. Also what is wrong with non meta picks?

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

I'm not sure if you know this or not, at least by your comments so far, but I try my best in ranked every game, I don't do it just for fun, I do it because I want to climb, I don't want to be bad at this game, this is honestly one of the best games out there and I absolutely love it, I'v been adicted since the day I started playing and I want to be good at it. And my problem with non-meta picks is usualy people are doing it to troll rather than that is something they are good with, like a full AD annie, or like Yorick support.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

Man low elo players are quite ignorant towards non-meta picks. Buts that fine do whatever that carries you the game.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes

This has to do with what is in my experience, I'v come across 99% of the time when people go non-meta roles they feed. Also I don't know why you care to insult since right now my ELO is higher than yours although you've played longer. Not saying I'm better than you, it's just something you should take into consideration before saying something like that.

Demonsolder21Jun 28, 20151 votes

I wasnt talking about you but low elo players in general.

WhichwaysJun 28, 20151 votes