Does removing a champion quote "reaaallly" matter?

Marshbouy·Apr 9, 2017·23 votes·1,614 views

Does it? Riot rarely has quotes that have swearing in them, so having a quote with the word "shit" is an anomaly. Removing the word "shit" is not an anomaly.

Don't use this as an excuse to rant about 2017 PC culture or something dumb. It was unnecessary to add to the game. If it was a champion specific quote that was super tied in to lore that got removed, I would understand the anger. From my understanding the "little shit" quote isn't tied to lore and sounded pretty cringey in the first place.

53 Comments

Big LincolnApr 9, 201711 votes

lol at these people and their outrage because a made-up character doesn't say "shit."

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20171 votes

Hey Big Lincoln, how goes the war?

MarshbouyApr 9, 20172 votes

"Muh thought police"

Big Black CrocApr 9, 20172 votes

Inb4 they give graves cigar back, then comes a whole new meme.

"Graves can have a cigar but xeyah cant say"shit".

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20179 votes

In concept, no it does not. I agree that this would be an anomaly as no other champion swears like that, seems unnecessary to me tbh.

Like you said, way different than removing Jhin's four quotes or Sona's quotes period as she doesn't speak.

LF AnnieApr 9, 20173 votes

kled also says shit.

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 201715 votes

It's also censored for comedic effect. Never before has a champion dropped that word, why start now? Believe it or not, incorporating swears into a game isn't "progress".

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

no, but censoring something once it has been said is not progress either.

DrCyanideApr 9, 20173 votes

Can you consider it "said" if it's not released yet?

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

if it was released enough that the public outcry of a minority of people could have riot change it, can you consider it "unsaid"?

DrCyanideApr 9, 20176 votes

The PBE is a preview. If a company gets feedback from a preview that makes sense to implement, then they implement it.

Also, where's the "outcry"? There's more outcry from people wanting to keep the line than there was for people not wanting to hear it. The main post on the side of having the quotes optional wasn't an outcry so much as explaining their situation and why they would like a way to remove it. A lot of people agreed with it, a lot didn't.

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

by there being more people wanting to keep it than the original amount of people wanting it gone, does this not seem like an issue?

DrCyanideApr 9, 20171 votes

It depends on the reason for removing it. I think the reason it was removed is Riot decided it didn't fit in the game, not for rating reasons, but for character reasons.

Her swearing adds nothing substantial to her character, but it does remove something substantial from Kled. Kled is unique because he ignores the rules of society that everyone else, from rebellious teens to hardened pirates, obey. Part of that is him charging in when others would flee, but a big part that we as players see in game is he swears when not a single other character does. It's a social convention that he and he alone breaks, and it shows how off the wall he is. It's not for "shock and awe", it's just he's crazy and doesn't care. It'd be like seeing someone peeing into a potted plant at a dinner when the bathroom is right next to it. I don't care how rebellious your teen is, they'll use the bathroom, but our crazy war vet won't care.

So I ask you, does Xayah's character benefit more from having those two lines than Kled's character is hurt by Xayah having those lines?

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

i return a few questions to you. does her swearing at a non sentient creature detract from kled's crazy in any way? if so, how? because he is unique? because league doesn't have room for more than a fraction of a percent of swearing? why does kled have to be the only character with an edgy repertoire?

TerozuApr 9, 20172 votes

The "Shits" refer to raptors if I remember right, so they aren'y nonsentient, JUNGLE LIFES MATTER PEOPLE!

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

upvoted.

DrCyanideApr 9, 20173 votes

does her swearing at a non sentient creature detract from kled's crazy in any way? if so, how?

Yes, because it's not what she's swearing at that matters in this case by who hears her. The minions won't draw the connection and determine what's socially acceptable in Runeterra, but we will, and as soon as we conclude it's ok for any edgy/rebellious characters to swear then half the lineup should be swearing, not just one girl.

because league doesn't have room for more than a fraction of a percent of swearing? why does kled have to be the only character with an edgy repertoire?

No, Kled doesn't have to be alone in swearing, but the swearing should add something substantial. You're in a universe where drunks and sailors aren't swearing in their normal conversation (at least not in the game). Swearing still packs a punch in this setting, it's not casual.

As for edgy, if all you can do to be edgy is swear casually you're doing it wrong. Think of some skinny, pale nerdy guy with big glasses and a nasally voice saying those lines. Is he edgy? No. Conversely you can be edgy without swearing, which is what all of Xayah's other lines point to and why the removal of the lines don't hurt her in the slightest.

LexyyApr 9, 20175 votes

No. People are so invested in this game it's ridiculous.

Dancing FoxxApr 9, 20174 votes

Happy the cringy line was removed. It conjures up images of Beavismand Butthead for me.

Preteens beinf like: heh heh heh. She said shit! Heh heh heh.

Also she isn't even live yet, Glad they had the good sense to rethink this before live.

Papa AndreiApr 9, 20174 votes

Its not the line itself but more the concept. I found the "little shits" line forced and uncessary. The "Shit I broke a nail" line seemed a great joke line. They easily could havw added an option for those lines to be disabled with profanity filter on, instead of removing them utterly.

ZT XperimentorApr 9, 20173 votes

Not realy since it's the internet. However it shows just how hypocritical riot has become if they don't. Just look at their summoner's code.

KarfussApr 9, 20173 votes

The quote already existed. It was removed. It then falls upon those who want it removed, to prove that it should be.

As it stands, other T-rated games have featured far worse. Removing it because she's the only one that did curse, is not only not progressive, it also detracts from her uniqueness as a character and personality.

AnastaeciaApr 9, 20172 votes

I would ask the converse. Why does it matter that she did say "shit"?

If it shouldn't be a big deal that it got removed, then why was it a big deal to remove it in the first place?

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

because the thought police have invaded our society.

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20179 votes

Don't be ridiculous. You and I both know you can cuss all you want in game, so long as it isn't directed against another person. Don't give us that tripe.

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

at what point was this pointed at a person?

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20176 votes

At what point did this become thought police hysteria?

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

at what point did anyone enter hysterics?

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20173 votes

At what point did anyone beleive for a second that thought police were a legitimate concern becuase of this action?

Papa AndreiApr 9, 20173 votes

At what point did I run out of popcorn?

LF AnnieApr 9, 20171 votes

here is some [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

DrCyanideApr 9, 20177 votes

Riot rarely has quotes that have swearing in them, so having a quote with the word "shit" is an anomaly.

Consistency, if nothing else. We've got, what, 133 champions that don't swear at all, and the 134th is some completely off the wall war vet where it makes sense for his character.

The lines in question don't add to the character, they're just swearing for the sake of it. We've got a far better "broke a nail" line from Leona, and the other one was more despising Yordles (and anyone who's ever played a Yordle on ARAM knows we've got enough of that to last a lifetime).

Big LincolnApr 9, 20174 votes

because riot decided they didn't want her to say shit and as a private company they can do whatever they please with their product

AnastaeciaApr 9, 20171 votes

Your response doesn't answer either one of my questions. I didn't ask why Riot changed it. I know why they did. $$$$ Just like any other company would. I get that.

I asked why it was a big deal in the first place that she said "shit" which promoted complaints, which prompted the reversal.

Vexed HexApr 10, 20172 votes

I say KEEP ALL of her lines. Im tired of all the political correctness and baby whiny BS in today's world i love her rough edges and her sassy character its refreshing and perfectly normal. Now a days everyone has this freakishly thin skin and cant take any sort of comment that is not out of a freaking child's fairy tale book. Like seriously i was raised with thick skin i could care less if black guy called me a white cracker in fact id probably laugh my ass off. But everyone else would be crying foul and be all pissed off like child that dropped his ice cream cone.

LF AnnieApr 9, 20171 votes

wee-woo-wee-woo, here come the thought police, oh wait, they already left their mark. welcome to america's version of prre-nazi germany.

at the end of the day, the more we let our thoughts, media, and speech be changed and halted, the closer we get to hitlery clinton, you don't have to like everything someone says, but don't remove their ability to say it unless you truly want america to become the next nazi germany.

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20175 votes

This is a fictional character, not a real person. Your argument really doesn't apply.

LF AnnieApr 9, 20172 votes

my argument does apply if you look at the bigger picture, rather than just the one instance you are currently focused upon.

TyrekGoldenspearApr 9, 20172 votes

Your argument is only related to this via tangent. They are too far apart in spirit to be related in terms of creating standards or making assumptions about the world at large.

You are looking at the letter not the spirit of this change. A private company removing lines with swears doesn't mean the government will employ thought police. Your Hillary Clinton red herring and slippery slope fallacy are noted and eliminated.

Riot is a private company not the government, they are not bound by the first amendment in any case.

As a Gold player I know says a lot, your argument has been noted and dismissed.

LF AnnieApr 9, 20171 votes

i don't mind that you have dismissed my argument, let us talk about this in ten years.