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Can we please learn the difference between being a bad player and just having a bad game

FreeLanternRides·4/11/2015, 7:36:11 AM·27 votes·1,746 views

after watching others and myself get called the worst players in league because we have done bad in one game it is starting to irritate me there is a massive difference between having one bad game (which we all have at some point, YES EVEN YOU) and just being plain bad at this game. We are all humans we are going to make mistakes and mess up and lose lane and play bad every once in a while it doesn't help (at all) when you sit there and nag at the person telling him he is garbage and should uninstall (please stop doing this btw) it doesn't help that person learn the game and your not helping your team out at all by making him feel bad for playing like this once. believe me we are sorry for doing bad and not being the raging carry that you wanted us to be each and every game day in and day out. So please stop trying to pin the whole game on the one person that is doing bad one person can not lose a game for you a team loses a game he may have made some hefty mistakes but if no one else was making mistakes than the team could easily pick up his slack and he may even start to play better which will more likely result in a win (which is what you want to see)

TLDR: please stop whipping the one team mate who is having a bad game in chat and focus on how your playing so that maybe you can pull it together and win, one person cant lose you a game.

42 Comments

Narasimha4/11/2015, 4:28:02 PM6 votes

I can deal with a person having a bad game. What I CAN'T deal with is a person having a bad game, and then being stubborn about it. No one's perfect. Everyone makes mistakes more often than not. But if you refuse to even acknowledge you're doing something wrong, then I get ticked off.

one person can not lose a game for you

On a side note, it is entirely possible for one person to throw a game. Its not really the team's fault if, for example, the enemy Darius comes out of lane 13/2.

Worst Mid Ever4/11/2015, 8:24:05 AM3 votes

there is a difference between making a mistake and having a bad playstyle

example would be my warwick last game, powerfarms all game and ignores dragon, doesn't gank once, 3k damage done to champions (support had 11k) in a 40 minute game yet he only had 130cs (i had 340cs, 4 solo tower kills, took 3 drags because i was running smite tp, 70% kill participation as a top laner), he didnt get counterjungled and we weren't losing or anything, he just choose to play like that, that makes him a bad player and he singlehandedly lost us the game

if he had fed or fucked up a gank or called a bad objective i could say maybe he is just having a bad game, but you cant ignore peoples overall strategy and mechanical skill

boymeetsleauge4/12/2015, 1:09:53 AM2 votes

You had a bad game You went 0/5 You watch a bad cinematic just to turn it around

Sirsir4/12/2015, 1:19:35 AM2 votes

Nope. If it were possible it would have happened ages ago.

Plus its not always a bad game thats your fault. Sometimes the enemy player is just better than you. People fail to realize that its a match of wits, they just think they are playing against some strangely programmed bots. There is another thinking, reasoning person on the other side of that champion, if you lose it doesn't make you bad, it just means they are better than you.

Legalisskull4/11/2015, 2:51:57 PM2 votes

I see what you're trying to say here and I do agree with most of it; however, when you said"one person cant lose you a game." I had to chime in.

In most games your statement is correct. A loss tends to be the accumulation of mistakes made by the team rather than one player consistently. Over my thousands of games I have seen a fair number of occasions where this proves to be false. One player can definitely lose an entire team a game.

I'm not posting this for any other reason but to state that yes, flaming one person for their mistakes or flaming in general is not a positive course of action and 99% of time will do more harm than it will help anything; however, recognizing a single player for their "throwing" of a game or detrimental play style shouldn't be deemed taboo. Sometimes there is a valid reason for commenting on or singling out one player.

A quick example for reference is a game I was in not too long ago (I'll try to be brief as this is just an example). The game overall was going decent, our bottom, mid, and top were holding their own and I was in the jungle. Our middle (talon) was decently fed with his "rambo" play style (diving in, getting kills, not caring if you die because of it). Wasn't the best thing, but we were doing well on objective control since we could simply out fight them. Most of the kills have gone to the talon at this point making him our team's main source of damage. Sometime later in the game our Caitlin makes a comment (not inherently derogatory but was specifically directed at the talon telling him something along the lines to group with us or he shouldn't be so "rambo"and lets just focus on objectives). For whatever reason this offended him and he proceeded to go "afk", actually left the game and came back, when he got back selling all of his items for things like majias, sword of the occult, multiple boots, eventually bought all boots, all the while being very negative, abusive in chat and trolling by just running into the enemy team.

Long story short our main source of power decided to take it upon himself to screw over the rest of the team, be abusive in chat, and halt all positive contributions to the game thus turning a good game in general but also a fairly secured win into a loss. Even the enemy team apologized for his actions as it wasn't just our chat but all chat he was being abusive in.

TLDR: Flaming one player for a loss when there are a multitude of mistakes made by an entire team is a bad idea and poor sportsmanship, but recognizing one player that has obviously single handily lost their team the game shouldn't be taboo. People need to know when their actions are not okay. Toxic actions catalyze a continuation of negative comments and feelings.

Levyathyn4/12/2015, 5:29:37 AM1 votes

As someone this does bother, I understand, we all have bad and good games. It just feels like shit when after a long day of arduous matches versus opponents that outclass you and your team, it really sucks to finally be on point, having everything coming together, and one mistake blows it. It bothers me, 'bad' or 'good' player because so little good happens in my life, and it sucks when I can't even get League to go right. But this is true whether it's a random teammate who throws it, or if it's me. I'm never very vocal about it, I just try to help coordinate things and move the game along, no flaming, but I definitely beat myself up when it's me.

I have to disagree about that one person thing. It does take an enemy team to help, but a team disabled with one player who can't handle the game will always have a major disadvantage over a coordinated enemy team. You might lose or win either way, but it's much, much easier to track every small specific victory leading to an overall enemy win to having a man/woman down. This is why most AFK matches with one team being understaffed are considered losses from the get-go.

RIanimatorOT4/11/2015, 7:58:09 AM1 votes

yes, one person can lose a game seen it a million times. usually raging bs mtfs who DO start telling people what to do they are the cause, and you can consider yourself whatever you want but as you said " one person doesn't lose the game " is sometimes applicable

Nucleophilic atk4/12/2015, 1:59:49 PM1 votes

Yes, there is a clear difference. A person having a bad game/lane matchup will realize this and play safely by turret farming, building some defense (depending on role), and warding. A bad player (aka troll) will be 0-3, continue to shove lane/overextend with 0 wards and bitch about being ganked, and continue to try to 1v1 the 3-0 lane enemy.

Also, games can completely be lost by 1 player. You bring up making mistakes. Most players don't bitch for others making mistakes. They bitch about players making the SAME mistake 10 times in a row, despite being told not to do what they keep doing, ie chase the tank into the unwarded jungle. I rarely, and I mean rarely, get raged at in this game. Why? Because I understand the difference between having a bad game and being some trolling moron that is just going to keep diving the enemy because "lulz jus a gammme nuubz".

Yorukin4/11/2015, 1:00:36 PM1 votes

I recently had a game that caused me more headaches than it should've. I was first pick, and after asking what everyone's preferred roles were, I got calls for mid and jungle. I decided "Okay, I'll be a marksman" and picked Varus. As the pick order went down, we got a Tryndamere top, and someone who completely ignored the chat picked Vi jungle, leaving the guy who actually CALLED that role stuck as a support against a kill lane of Alistar and Graves. I motioned for a Morgana support, but this guy didn't really have any experience in the role and was stuck picking Soraka from his limited pool. After we got a Yasuo mid (who encouraged Soraka to build full AP on a team with little utility as-is), the game started and, naturally, my lane started to fall behind after level 3. Once the other lanes started losing and the teamfights started, the melee carries on our team decided to start blaming me for losing because I was building AP Varus, as I specifically called at the end of champ select because we would otherwise have an all-AD team. I tried reassuring them that AP Varus works perfectly well, but I was behind because I lost lane. It seemed to shut them up, but everyone was quiet for most of that game anyway.

Point is, don't point fingers if you're having a bad game yourself. Sometimes you're in a bad matchup, sometimes the matchmaking gets screwy, sometimes your team doesn't communicate as well as theirs. But don't go blaming other people because you whole team is losing. Sometimes it's your fault, sometimes it's someone else's. Doesn't matter! Just keep trying, and at least try to have fun playing.

mvargus4/11/2015, 3:17:48 PM1 votes

I've had bad games, where I end up playing a role or matchup that I'm just not comfortable with and I get crushed quickly. Usually I'm the first to acknowledge it and as long as I don't get a heavy duty flamer I can survive. The last was a game where I ended up top lane taking Irelia against a Gnar player who is in the Silver ranks. (I'm not ranked because I figure I'll end up bronze 5 if I do run prelims and want to practice more.) I'm not a great top lane player and it got worse as our jungler DC'd right at the start so I was left on an island for the first half of the match. I ended up starting out 1/7 and got completely wrecked by the Gnar player. It was not a case of me being a "bad player" but me not having a lot of experience in top lane and then ending up against a much more experienced player. Thankfully my team didn't rip into me beyond a single comment of "this 1/7 Irelia".

But I'd say I'm not a "bad player". I just need more play at top and mid to get fully comfortable with those positions. If I end up playing there I'm going to struggle as I'm not at a diamond skill level.

I do say that having a very thick skin against people berating you for poor play is a bit of a requirement now. Too many players refuse to be patient with other player's mistakes.

SmknWdl4/11/2015, 8:04:01 PM1 votes

Making a mistake: forgetting to pop zhonyas Being a bad player: Chasing the enemy teemo into a bush... 10 times

Yandere Carry4/12/2015, 3:35:52 AM1 votes

bad and good player is a relative term. everyone below me is bad, everyone above me is a no-life.