Is 140% total AD the same thing as 40% bonus AD?

Astôlfo·9/9/2016, 5:33:22 PM·2 votes·1,409 views

Was just wondering.

Yorick's Q is just an empowered autoattack, meaning it should have 100% AD minimum. (Normal AA damage). But it lists it as 140% AD instead of 'his next autoattack deals +40% bonus AD' or something of that sort.

I was just curious if they are the same or if there's other differences?

EDIT: I realized I don't know how to math. Thank you for the help everyone!

15 Comments

Elite4Runner9/9/2016, 5:52:54 PM2 votes

I'm not sure if I'm crazy or just tired but people aren't really answering the question in context.

The scaling you are looking at on Yorick's Q is Bonus physical damage

Which means, if Yorick has 100 total AD then uses his Q His next auto attack will deal 100 physical damage from his standard damage, 30 / 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 bonus physical damage based on Q rank, and 140 bonus physical damage based on his 140% AD scaling. (which is what everyone is talking about)

100 + 130 + 140 = 370 total damage.

Naenia9/9/2016, 5:37:00 PM1 votes

No, it is not the same thing. Let's say you have a total of 100AD. 140% of that would be 140. Let's say out of the 100 total AD, 20 is bonus AD. 40% of 20 is 8

Sahn Uzal9/9/2016, 5:39:15 PM1 votes

Lets say, I have 120 base AD and 50 bonus AD. My Q would deal: (120 x 1.4) + (50 x 1.4) = 168 + 70 = 238 damage.

Just using example numbers.

Oleandervine9/9/2016, 5:42:14 PM1 votes

140% of your AD is your Base AD added to your bonus AD, and calculated from there. Essentially, it's your current AD (the 100%) with an extra 40% of that number added into it.

Example: Base AD = 100 Bonus AD = 10 Total = 110 140% of your AD of 110 = **154 Damage **

40% of your bonus AD only calculates from the bonus, and you lose what's in your base. Using the same numbers above, this is the math.

Base AD = 100 Bonus AD = 10 40% of Bonus of 10 = 4 Total AD = 114 Damage

As you can see, 140% of your total AD gives you at least 40 more AD than just 40% of your bonus AD.

Ionian9/9/2016, 5:43:14 PM1 votes

100 + 100 AD.

140% total AD = 200*1.4 = 280 AA + 40% bonus AD = 100+100*0.4 = 140

No?

Meep Man9/9/2016, 5:50:44 PM1 votes

140% AD

  • Includes all attack damage
  • The full AD ratio can critically strike (this can be inconsistent per champion)
  • Sterak's affects this

Base Attack Damage: 100 Bonus Attack Damage: 100 Damage Dealt by Attack: 280 Critical Strike Damage Dealt: 560

40% Bonus AD

  • Only includes bonus attack damage
  • Critical strikes usually do not calculate the bonus damage from the ratio
  • Is not affected by Sterak's

Base Attack Damage: 100 Bonus Attack Damage: 100 Damage Dealt by Attack: 140 Critical Strike Damage Dealt: 240

As you can see, the difference can be huge.

TequilaZombie9/9/2016, 6:20:55 PM1 votes

Your title is slightly missleading. Let's clear this up.

1- 40% bonus AD means: (Total AD - Base AD) * 0.4

2- 140% AD means: Total AD * 1.4

You can also have

3- 40% AD AS BONUS DAMAGE Which means: Regular Damage (usually an Auto Attack, so Total AD) + Total AD * 0.4

AND

4- 40% Bonus AD AS BONUS DAMAGE Which means: Regular Damage + (Total AD - Base AD) * 0.4


The first is usually put into abilities. For example, Shaco's E, at level 9, deals 210 + (100% bonus AD) + (100% AP). It means that the ability will deal it's base 210 damage that can be amplified by building either AP or AD, but won't benefit from his base AD. It's worth noticing that there is no such a thing as Bonus AP, as all AP is Bonus AP.

The second usually indicates how much damage a modified auto attack will do, like Rengar's and Xin's Q. It uses both the base AD of the champion and any AD he might have bought during the game.

The third works basicly as the second one, with the only difference being the way it's worded.

The fourth is usually put on Auto Attack modifiers on champions that are expected to build lots of AD. The reason being that it completely ignores a champion's base AD, requiring him to buy AD to be effective, but that is more about game design than your post requires.


To answer your question regarding Yorick:

Both listing it as 140% AD or listing it as dealing 40% AD as bonus damage means the same.

Note that there is a big difference between Deals 40% AD as bonus damage and Deals 40% Bonus AD as bonus damage, as bonus AD does NOT take into consideration the base AD of the champion.

Hyperiön9/9/2016, 5:34:45 PM1 votes

Its your base dmg, but an evtra 40%

Elite4Runner9/9/2016, 6:28:47 PM1 votes

I have to be the one going crazy

Nep2une, I know you've seen me post on here several times before. We're practically friends! Don't worry about what anyone else says. They're making this way more complicated than it needs to be and will only confuse you more.

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