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Quick question about when to blame jungler.

Stephenizgod·6/28/2014, 6:35:23 AM·1 votes·425 views

So i played a really crappy game as Garen top vs Teemo, and while i never died to teemo, i did get outfarmed and lost my turret eventually (mine was last to go down of the out turrets). Our Wukong didnt gank at all and blamed us for not winning lanes, i was constantly asking for help because Teemo was seriously pushing on me, i couldnt farm without taking half my life, and was at my turret 99% of laning phase. The one gank i got he almost died to teemo and wld have given him blue and red so i went in to save him and stop that and ended up dying to Xin Zhao. So this is where my question comes in, was it right to blame the Wukong for not ganking? He never went Mid and while our bot was pushing, when they were being pressured he didnt go bottom, he just farmed and would every once in awhile waste an ult on 1 person or most times nothing. Im just curious if there was anything i should have done. The enemy Xin Zhao said i should have let teemo have our turrets instead of trying to hold him off, which i disagreed with, he said its my fault for losing to Teemo not Wukongs fault for not ganking even though he should have.

So what do you think? were we in the wrong for blaming Wu? we are not talking about his lack of skill, because he was bad so many wasted ults. Im talking about him not ganking simply because i lost lane and he didnt think he could gank.

29 Comments

MackleDoge6/28/2014, 6:48:35 PM3 votes

I think you should consider focusing on your own gameplay. There is always something that you could do to improve your own game. You can't be perfect, and blaming others isn't going to help you improve any. As a matter of fact, blaming people is a complete waste of time and doesn't do a single thing to help that game or any game you play later. Blaming people is a waste of time and always the wrong choice. I'm not saying that Wukong didn't make mistakes, he obviously did, but so did you. Focus on improving that, not pointing fingers.

David Haller6/28/2014, 6:09:47 PM2 votes

I think you're afforded the option to justify blaming your jungler when that jungler decides that farming the jungle is the entire point of jungling.

If a jungler fails to provide pressure on ANY lane in the game and/or refuses to counter-jungle/counter-gank, etc... he's to blame.

While someone might support an argument about how a jungler isn't responsible for you losing your lane, he is responsible for contributing to the team. And if he's doing bare minimum to keep himself en par with the experience level of everyone else in the game and excluding himself from any cooperative aspects of the goal of the game, he's responsible by default at least in part, to the defeat.

Sir ArmaMalum6/28/2014, 7:21:57 PM2 votes

I agree with Mackle and Watchman and also want to provide my own direct reply. But before any of that I want to ask a serious question.

Have you yourself jungled a decent amount? Not specifically Wukong or anything, but enough to say you can play the role comfortably?

NinjaFifer6/29/2014, 6:43:15 AM2 votes

You went against a Teemo top. You know what the correct question you should be asking is? Who's house should you be throwing combustible lemons at, for utilizing the spawn of satan?

Angry Monster6/29/2014, 11:59:09 AM2 votes

So my thoughts here as a jungle main.

Normally I would say this is mostly your fault. But if you are right then Wu does have some blame but not in the way you think. Wu should of been doing something in a lane or 2. IF he really was only farming then he was just bad. That said he could of been dealing with the enemy jungler with invades and stuff. So if he was truly only farming then yes. Though its usually hard for laners to see exactly what the jungler is doing. Jungle pressure may not actually get kills when he is trying.

No matter what part of the blame is on you as the laner. Even if you said in champ select please not top, you still have responsibility for your lane. The jungler is not supposed to win the lane for people. In theory( my theory) he is their to just give a edge to break stalemates. Junglers also can try to save a lane if you are a little behind.

I agree with Mackledoge you need to look at your build and game play. What could you done better? It is not impossible to out play a temmo(though can be frustrating). At the end of the day(game) what does it matter if the jungler could of done better? Are you planing on playing with him again?

Focus on what you can change not assigning blame.