Whenever people defend Viktor saying he isn't a villain

Malicious Metal·May 16, 2016·87 votes·5,077 views

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Lintu PuckMay 16, 201645 votes

He's one of the least villainous people from Zaun out of all of the characters classified as "evil" He's at least a better person then Singed or Warwick, but not as much a good person as Ekko or Janna.

Velzard of KozMay 16, 201622 votes

He just wants his style to be viral. But merely somebody is catchin' to the trend. Make machines, not war. #emotionsdontmatter

Maximum MordeMay 17, 20169 votes

Ekko is a murderous gangbangin thug. Not good lol.

shyvMay 17, 20163 votes

ekko is an innocent kid you racist shit

Maximum MordeMay 17, 20167 votes

Yeah, those are skittles in his hand and not a bat that he beats people senseless with.

NyanzaMay 16, 201640 votes

Viktor created Blitzcrank

He is definitely evil

Velzard of KozMay 16, 201621 votes

But he forgot to visit patent office in time.

Laughing FishMay 16, 201624 votes

I think people have seen the battlecast, and assume Viktor must be evil for making them. But that is an alternate reality version of Viktor who is evil. While we know a key difference is Jayce did not destroy the arcane crystal in the battlecast universe, we have no idea what other differences there may be. We don't know if Viktor would have always fallen if he was given that much power, or if there was another reason for his corruption.

A Superb VillainMay 16, 201617 votes

Battlecast seems to be in a modern setting as well, leading to a much wider set of variables that could possibly influence Viktor.

Malicious MetalMay 16, 201618 votes

Like watching too much anime?

A Superb VillainMay 16, 201617 votes

I was going to say being the lesser evil when megacorporations are kidnapping/brainwashing soldiers/warriors (PROJECT).

But sure, too much anime or Toho films work as well.

Laughing FishMay 16, 201610 votes

Exactly, Jayce failing to destroy the Arcane crystal is only one of countless variables. Is Viktor greedy? Sure. After all, he stole the Arcane Crystal from Jayce, and wrecked his lab. But his intentions appeared to be good, and as far as we know he was going to help people with it.

Sahn UzalMay 16, 201616 votes

My skin is grey, and I have no eyes/nose? Okay...

Rand0mH3r0XMay 16, 201619 votes

Go to the doctor...

average teapotMay 16, 20166 votes

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A Superb VillainMay 16, 201613 votes

#ViktorDidNothingWrong

Velzard of KozMay 16, 20166 votes

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Photos of GhostsMay 17, 20162 votes

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Shroom JunkieMay 16, 201611 votes

Well I mean, to be fair, he's trying to change the world for what he considers the betterment. He's at least good in his mind and not chaotic evil.

hoes and bowsMay 16, 20161 votes

Cough* Ultron *cough

PhoenixOfHeavenMay 16, 201612 votes

Ultron doesn't want to make the world for the better, he wants to kill all of humanity.

It's one thing to create a rapid evolution. Another for genocide.

SkelenthMay 16, 20166 votes

But Ultron wants to kill all of humanity to make the world better

blkKalameetMay 16, 201619 votes

can you blame him really?

RasCaelestisMay 16, 201626 votes

My favorite part of Age of Ultron is that Ultron's decision to destroy humanity came after he connected to the internet.

I always imagine it kind of like this:
Ultron sees 4chan/Reddit/Tumblr
"The human race is beyond redemption. They have nothing worth saving. Mass-extinction is the only solution."

blkKalameetMay 16, 20168 votes

another valid reason is that if you look at the whole world as one creature, as one organism, humanity would be described as a virus or cancer for what we do to the earth.

more or less like the plot for The Day the Earth Stood Still. what's more important, humanity or the existence of life?

WimbledofyMay 16, 20162 votes

But the world isn't a creature. Earth has no feelings. It doesn't make sense to thing of earth as an organism.

Battlecast SonaMay 16, 20167 votes

To you. You're not an alien being - we're finding out things now like that POTENTIALLY PLANTS HAVE MEMORIES - who's to say some other lifeform doesn't view the planet as a living being because their science is more advanced?

GorgannanMay 16, 20167 votes

Many villains believe they're better. If you are evil but believe you are not, you are still evil.

Shroom JunkieMay 16, 20163 votes

Evil is a relative term. For example, ISIS believes they're murdering for the good of humanity and their god. Sure, we believe that they're anarchists and are terrible people, but they believe what they're doing is right. At least, I think. Perhaps I'm wrong and they know what they're doing is bad, but I just personally doubt that. Maybe they have that feeling in their chest but they also are assured by their religion that its a good thing.

I'm Christian(-ish, I don't really follow the mainstream but I won't get into that), so in most muslim's eyes, I'm probably evil.

GorgannanMay 16, 20162 votes

Again, intent doesn't mean jack when you're talking about whether you are or aren't something. Your intentions only take you so far. When you're loading jews up in a cart, you're an evil person.

ArakadiaMay 17, 20163 votes

Evil is a relative term.

Evil is based on the eye of the beholder.

WimbledofyMay 16, 20161 votes

No, just because someone THINKS they are right doesn't mean they are. In the end it all comes down to the truth, not what people believe to be true but what is actually true. Objective truths are not relative. If you believe evil is relative I doubt you are really christian because if God is real then what he says is evil is truly evil, there is nothing relative about it.

Shroom JunkieMay 16, 20162 votes

Well if you ever dug into anything in the Bible, you would know that he only bases 'evil' off of his so-called 'followers' that disobey him. Others are unbelievers and whatever they do will be punished in the end instead of living for eternity after, but those who are truly evil in his eyes are those who say they follow what he says(or at least, what they believe) and blatantly disobey it. Even if you look in the books like Kings, he says that, "X did what was evil in God's eyes" and not "X did evil."

Personally I have to look at the exact meanings in Hebrew before I'll say its fact, but that's what I gather from the English translation.

WimbledofyMay 16, 20161 votes

so you're saying it isn't evil? And the 10 commandments, are you saying committing these sins aren't evil?

Shroom JunkieMay 17, 20161 votes

I personally believe they're evil, yes. But what about muslims? I think them worshipping their god is evil, but they think me worshiping mine is evil. They have their laws and guidelines and they think that rape isn't evil because in their faith men are above women.

You may just not know what I mean because you lack empathy. No offense, I'm just saying that to understand what I mean you have to have empathy, and not having it is understandable, especially if you grew up in an environment that lacked it.

WimbledofyMay 17, 20161 votes

If your God is real, there's isn't, if there's is real your isn't. That's true regardless of what you think. Sure you may think they are evil, or they may think you are evil but just because you guys think differently that has nothing to do with whether it is true. Let me use an illustration:

Bill thinks that the ocean is made out of fire and Bob thinks the ocean is made out of water. Scientists say the ocean is water. What about bill though? He's saying it isn't water. Does this mean neither bill or bob are right and that what the ocean is made of is now relative because Bill happens to personally believe the ocean isn't water? No Bill is still wrong, just because he has a different view doesn't mean the ocean became relative. (also note I'm not saying bill wants to change the definition of fire/water to fit what the truth is, he actually believes it is fire)

Not sure how you can say I lack empathy because you don't even know me. It's irrelevant to the truth of this issue.

Shroom JunkieMay 17, 20162 votes

You're comparing a fact to definition. To change a definition is one thing, but the definition of evil is relative. Fire is fire, and water is water. No matter what you think that is true. The same goes for acorns and cashews. They're nouns, not adjectives. I think peanut butter tastes good, someone else might not and think it tastes bad. 'Good' is also an adjective, so if 'evil' is not relative and based on your opinion of evil and the fact someone may murder someone, for a cause or not, is like saying that because you like chocolate it is a good food, while others may not like chocolate and think it doesn't taste good.

And so far as I can tell, you don't have empathy. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just stating the fact that you - so far as I have noticed - lack the ability to look from another's perspective.

WimbledofyMay 17, 20161 votes

It's only relative IF God doesn't exist. You seem to lack empathy because you aren't looking at this through my perspective.

Shroom JunkieMay 17, 20163 votes

I realize your perspective; you're going based on your perspective of you believe that he does exist, and so you're basing your opinion of 'evil' off of that. What you fail to realize is that even though we're Christian, we probably both grew up in it. We were born into it and got an early glimpse; muslims and most religions don't even allow the user to even look into other religions to change their beliefs and convert. And to be fair, most Christians of the mainstream society don't even look into their religion, they simply take it as fact, go to church every Sunday, some abide by the Sabbath on Sunday(though its technically supposed to be Saturday, or the 7th day), and generally they don't look into anything else.

So Muslims do believe what they do is right, and yes, I believe that what they're doing is evil, but again the subject isn't about what is or isn't, its about what we believe is. I believe the muslim faith is evil, muslims believe the Christian faith is. Most in Runeterra would believe Viktor is evil, however Viktor himself believes what he is doing is right and for the betterment of mankind.

ArakadiaMay 17, 201610 votes

Evil is a term used by humans to describe something. He said he does not follow the mainstrain, neither do I, and he may believe God's word is not final. ISIS believes non-believers are evil, as said above I can't be sure about that as I am not part of ISIS. Us saying that "X is evil, because we beleive/our god says that its evil" is the same thing as ISIS saying "non-believers are evil because our god says so".

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Sniper 0May 17, 20164 votes

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The AqualiousMay 16, 20169 votes

I think Viktor is more Chaotic Neutral

He wants to evolve mankind to be fused with technology and to become a more superior species... Intellectually.

This being done by a suppression of emotions, or at least 90% of emotions which he deems as a problem.

One must remember that with Viktor, before becoming the man of metal, he wanted to better the world and improve it. His dream being shattered when his credit for Blitzcrank was taken from him.

Probably why he deems emotions useless and a problem.

As for the whole Battlecast AU... We don't know a lot about it. (At least I don't)

Viktor can still be good... He's just too shattered to want to be.

AudiomancyMay 17, 20166 votes

That's actually a pretty good point. I imagine Viktor was pretty depressed after the credit for his work was stolen from him and probably went between doing nothing with himself and wanting to possibly commit suicide. Then came along his idea to cut out all of his emotions so he wouldn't feel so shitty.

CasterGilgameshMay 17, 20164 votes

Sigh here it goes again first off Victor is not evil he is simply obsessed with progressed he wants to make life easier and he wants humanity to evolve into something more just because he doesnt try to be all rainbows and sugar pies doesn't make him evil And no he hasn't done anything wrong he is too busy inventing things to make life better.

Smitty ManjensenMay 17, 20163 votes

When you're one of the rare people who know that his lore was changed to make him a cartoon villain and Jayce the handsome hero, feels bad man.

Stars ShaperMay 16, 20162 votes

It is a form of immaturity to cling on the thought that what you find to admire is always good.

Coming back to Morde, he is entirely evil and yet you don't see his fans trying to make him the good guy. Viktor wants to robotize everything and every1 out of their free will. "Greater good" or not, imposing your credo on others isn't that good.

Big LincolnMay 16, 201611 votes

no he doesn't

he gives you the choice to embrace his technology.

Stars ShaperMay 16, 20161 votes

.. Or die

Much choice.

ZackeryssMay 17, 20163 votes

Well, if you've played vik, you'd hear him talk about how even his enemies need to be upgraded, and to embrace progress. Sure, he does say "Adapt, or be removed" But there are many ways you can be removed.

CasterGilgameshMay 17, 20166 votes

well he wants humanity to evolve and shed the inferior human skin he never says he wants to take free will away