I figured I would repost this beauty so that even new players can appreciate it...

kokopelli2··113 votes·18,190 views

Schrödinger's (theoretical) experiment: An enemy Garen is MIA

The observer cannot know whether or not Garen is in the bush and consequently, cannot know whether or not he will be killed if he enters it. Since we cannot know, according to quantum law, the Garen is both in the bush and isn't, in what is called a superposition of states. It is only when we facecheck the bush and learn the condition of the Garen that the superposition is lost, and Garen becomes one or the other (in the bush or not in the bush). This situation is sometimes called quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox: the observation or measurement itself affects an outcome, so that the outcome as such does not exist unless the measurement is made. (That is, there is no single outcome unless it is observed.)

We know that superposition actually occurs at every elo level, because there are observable effects of interference, in which a single particle is demonstrated to be in multiple locations simultaneously. What that fact implies about the nature of reality on the observable level (Garen, for example, as opposed to entire teams) is one of the stickiest areas of quantum physics. Schrödinger himself is rumored to have said, later in life, that he wished he had never met that Garen.

Schrödinger's famous thought experiment poses the question, when does a MIA stop existing as a superposition of states and become one or the other? (More technically, when does the actual Bush stop being a linear combination of states, both empty and containing a Garen, and instead begins to have a singular classical description?) If the bush is facechecked, it can only be one. Our experience says that no bush can be both empty and containing an enemy; yet the bush, it seems from the thought experiment, can be such a mixture. Is Garen required to be an observer, or does his existence in a single well-defined classical state require another external observer?

Credits to the writer: BlackDestruction http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=831444

77 Comments

Pale Pirate5 votes

He's got to be a necromancer from Skyrim.

badooga2 votes

LOL I get it.

PeponiPoro3 votes

"Facechecking the brush is dangerous" as said by Riot when you click on this image. :D

Void Nargacuga3 votes

Face checking the brush is ALWAYS dangerous. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Vistha Kai2 votes

Reminds me of this classic.

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

Then Garen says, "Wait a minute... Aren't you the waif trying to go out with my sister..."

Rendarkan1 votes

Ezreal "Uhm... Eh heh... It's my twin on the other team."

RiotRiot Koalifier42 votes

Long time player but I never saw the original post, thanks for the repost :D

Does this also apply to the location of Teemo shrooms?

Void Nargacuga7 votes

If there is a Teemo in your game as an opponent... Why AREN'T you thinking this? Seriously just ASSUME every nook an cranny has Teemo shroom... I mean we assume Garen is in every bush at any given time he is MIA... Why not for Teemo Shrooms? It makes sense!

FakeGravity7 votes

Teemo follow the Murphy law

If it looks like might be a shroom here there will be a shroom specially if you are low health and have no len

Mistress Madoka3 votes

So what you're saying is... If it's not under your tower, it's a shroom :D

Opportunistic2 votes

You have that wrong. As Murphy's Law clearly states that "anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. Which means that if you think the shroom is there it most likely isn't but because you thought it was you side stepped or back tracked thus triggering the shroom that wasn't in the spot you thought it was and thus triggering "Murphy's Law" :P

OlafRagnarson2 votes

Cool. A response to nothing important. How about you spend more time responding your customers who have concerns and questions that they want addressed?

RiotRiot Koalifier9 votes

Heya! Take a look at my post history, I spend a lot of time responding to questions and concerns, as well as comment on fun posts. Gotta mix it up [slayer-jinx-catface]

OlafRagnarson2 votes

Yeah well, I have posted many times about an issue an I never hear from Riot. I have emailed Riot and I get the run around.

I am red/green color blind. Half the time I can not pick up my cursor in the game, depending on whats going on color wise with spells or champions.

This seriously effects my gameplay.

Furthermore, the shape is not good. Players should have options of cursor shape (say, a very geometrical shape like a triangle) and color, so that they can pick the best set up that works for their vision.

So, if I get nowhere emailed Riot, and no one responds to me here, can you see why I am little annoyed? Your company makes hundreds of millions a year and is responsibly for ONE game. Can you guys please focus more on issues that players have? Hire more people if you need to, but don't let players concerns go by the wayside.

RiotRiot Koalifier4 votes

I'm sorry to hear that, sounds like it's really frustrating :(

Just wanted to clarify that I'm not just memeing all the time.

There are a couple of colorblind playtesters at Riot actually. I'll chat with em about this.

RiotRiot Ranger XIV2 votes

Hey Darkinlegend,

Riot Koalifer called me over to come talk to you.

I am a color blind person that works at Riot as QA and a lot of the time I get others asking me to come over and look at things to check if it is an issue with how I see color. My buddy is also colorblind but we are very different in the things that we can see and things that we can't see well. This makes it incredibly hard to cover all issues and ultimately it's going to be worse or better for some and worse and better for others. It is never that we are just ignoring the issues.

You said something about the cursor being a problem and the shape, that is the first time I've had that feedback about that and would also like you to go more into detail about how that can vanish, if it's the color or that it's a solid hand with one finger sticking out.

Please also let me know about the color issues you have. I want to look into this and help out as much as I can with my color blind family.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Things that are similar color value like reds and green are too similar for me in a dynamic environment. Do depending on what the background the cursor is on I just lose track of it very easily. It bothers me so much I run un-optimal builds with minimal or no actives just because I know its going to mess me up. However, if the shape of the cursor was something I could change that would also help. A perfect triangle against a forest would stand out. The gauntlet fist thing is too organic in terms of lines and blends in with the organic style lines of many champions and background.

RiotRiot Ranger XIV1 votes

So, I have started asking around about a fix to this issue or maybe a way that I can help you. It is really hard with so many different types of color blind and all the issues that can bring up. I am not putting you on the back burner but as of right now, I have no news to give you. Hang in there my friend.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Well, can riot just let users pick the color of their cursor in preferences? Or toggle the shape? Is that really a tall order?

RiotRiot Ranger XIV2 votes

It's never just that easy my friend. All of this takes a lot of discussing and planning.

OlafRagnarson3 votes

Well the planning and implementing part, I don't know about...but as far as the discussing...well, surely no one would be opposed to giving players more options. Just like I can change the sound, graphics quality, cursor speed etc. Players change things so its bests suited for them. Being able to change you cursor or its color falls right in line with that.

CrowdcontroIz1 votes

You have to understand that with a game as massive as league, nothing will ever be simple. Everything that takes place in something this big has to go through multiple layers of approval, testing and design.

RiotRiot Ranger XIV1 votes

Hey Darkinlegend,

I poked around the art department to see what the plans for cursor changing were. At this time we don't have plans to implement color blind cursors.

I didn't want you to think I forgot about you. I can offer some fixes other color blind people have done, including ones here at Riot if you would like.

Let me know if I can help you any further.

MrryZ26 votes

for some reason I just got an image of the garen going mia and every single particle of the fog of war turning into a garen icon in the minimap...

The Whamboozler18 votes

Five Garen. All for one. All with teleport. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

Just stay away from the bushes, let minions take towers, gg :p

doombotMECHA4 votes

in the bush somewhere, i'd suppose.

Melledoneus14 votes

TwistedFate: I'm gonna cheat the Schrodinger law thing. Ults

CubedJustice16 votes

But then you've quantified his position.

Melledoneus6 votes

But the law states you have to specifically FACE CHECK the brush to do so. Therefore, rebuttal debunked.

Puts on tin foil hat

AMYS GRAVE10 votes

The field theory of warding posed by Feynman clearly disproved this hypothesis years ago.

Photos of Ghosts8 votes

It was actually not a hypothesis, just a paradox to show that he disagreed with the actual hypothesis.

Demented Gag5 votes

I just remembered Doom bots, where Garen was in every bush.

K542 votes

I've always found that the deadliest champ from the bush is Annie Full combo for the instant melt!

Orangesilk2 votes

Cassiopeia Is amazing, facecheck ult get creamed.

darapier172 votes

Due to the fact that the Garen is in fact on the enemy team, and therefore can be seen by someone, can thus not be in both states at the same time. It is due to this observation, however, that we must make this thought experiment even more complicated; in order for the Garen to be in a single state, the facechecker(?) must rceive some information to the end of the Garen actually being in the bush he/she would like to go in. Unfortunately, the enemy team, all of which can see the garen, will not be forthcoming with such information, and as there is no ward in the bush, one must ask the question; in order for a single state to be achieved (i.e garen being either there or not), does the observer have to facecheck the bush himself, rather, does the Garen himself exist in different states depending on who is measuring him. The answer to this question may incite the other question; are there different realities? Thi is supported by the Garen being in different states depending of different observers. The seperate realities, then, would crash together once someone facechecks the bush, as the Garen is shown to all members of the game wether or not he is in the bush

Mech0p2 votes

Someone listened in school.... [zombie-brand-mindblown]

FuntaC2 votes

The, as yet unsaid, question that remains is posed by the riddle, "Can one hand clap?" Let's continue the thought experiment by imaging TwistedFate wants to know, he asks Leblanc whether she knows. She tells him that she heard about an unseen hand that could be found that would clap the one hand.

Our brave TF began putting his hand in various unseen places to test it. If I am going to find this unseen clap I must check everywhere, he thought. TF's last act was to seek the clap in the bush, so he put his hand in the bush, and ...

Putting all possible dangers in the bush aside for a moment, this leads to the second part of the mystery. Is it possible that an observable state might be a multiple according to the number of senses observing. If TF received the clap, then what is known about the contents of the bush? Would a Garen in the bush be the unseen hand that shared the clap with TF, or might that Garen choose not to be observed by TF's probing hand? However, assuming Garen was in the bush, if the bush was face checked, thus putting both in the bush, then the Garen would be seen. One observation is guaranteed. One observation is potential. Only not sensing the bush at all avoids the outcome of knowing. Therefore, the Garen in the bush has multiple states (there or not according to the number of sense observing), is a variable force (having potential), and is possibly of no matter while not observed.

Red Silk1 votes

I can clap with one hand.

Pale Pirate1 votes

But what happens if you are moving in a relatively extremely higher speed than Garen?

charcharmunro10 votes

item 1308 item 3742 item 3071 item 3087 summoner 6. You're not.

Sulghunter3 votes

Quinn (ultimate) item 1306 I beg to differ.

jama6551 votes

but thats just a theory

zzman730513 votes

{quoted}

but thats just a theory

A GAME THEORY!

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