@Morello, what to expect from Soraka in 4.9?

Canastus·5/29/2014, 6:26:42 PM·17 votes·1,835 views

Soraka First of all, I'm very glad you actually took your time to respond to all those questions in my last thread (http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/HsnUWEuK-morello-its-really-time-for-that-soraka-rework) and even confirming a rework for later this year. But as we all know, these things take time - up to six months maybe.

I'm seriously wondering how you're planning to deal with Soraka until the rework has arrived, you couldn't possibly consider letting her decay for an undetermined amount of time. So far I haven't seen a single mention of Soraka for the patch 4.9 forecast so naturally I've come to expect the worst.

You must admit, what you've done to her in 4.8 was extreme. We're dealing with a champion here who has lost any remaining viability, a living testament to an ongoing series of merciless gutting. But let me try to explain the situation to you and how you may be able to bridge the time until the rework is finished.

First of all, on the topic of imminent changes - I've seen what you had in store for the PBE. Sure, it may seem okay that you're putting 5 more percent on the cdr-effect of her Q (thus raising it to 10% cdr at rank 1, capping at 15%) to help Support Soraka BUT it's still less than the 17% which you originally promised. There's hardly a reason to level Q beyond rank 1 due to the pitiful scaling on the bonus.

We're still stuck with massive mana-costs from having to use Q twice as much and her E-poke being incredibly cost-inefficient. It literally deals as much damage as her nerfed starcall BUT is only limited to a single target while costing almost twice as much. Most of the time her silence doesn't even work since the enemy-ability goes off anyway.

Why hasn't this been fixed yet? Back then it was kind of tolerable since it was a FREE ability but now it has entirely lost any viability. Please, at least consider cutting the cost by half but make it scale with each rank. I don't see any other way to fix this ability right now.

Also let me do some math for you: the old poke-rotation (one Q and E) used to cost 30 mana in total, now you have to pay 110 (!) mana just to deal the same amount of damage. Also let's not forget that you're required to stick around longer just to get off the second Q to make up that sum. And that's just the cost at rank 1. That's already the cost of an entire heal wasted on mere interaction with the other player.

You can't simply remove the damage from her kit and expect her to be healthy afterwards - the consequence is actually the opposite of what you've hoped for. She's even more passive now since she can't fight ANYONE now without using up the entirety of her mana-pool. You need to do something, as soon as possible.

The least you could do is reduce her mana costs or give her back the damage on her Q while adding a damage-reduction to minions/creeps to weaken her solo lane-performance. Infact that change would even be healthy to Support Soraka since the risk of taking cs from your adc would be reduced drastically while dealing actual damage without being a mere healbot anymore who's plagued by overbearing mana-costs.

I seriously hope we may see some of those changes in 4.9 so we may get to play Soraka again without feeling almost entirely useless.

35 Comments

Adrian Umbra5/29/2014, 11:09:00 PM6 votes

What frustrates me most about the change his how much harder the nerfs hit support Soraka as opposed to solo lane. Higher mana consumption means little to Soraka once she picks up a chalice (unless she's ranking up her UNGODLY expensive heal), but supports aren't going to pick that up early due to needing a second level gold generation item and Sightstone more. Sure, she'll get it eventually. But she'll suffer before "eventually" comes around.

Adding insult to injury, the "compensation" was almost exclusively aimed at those who level Starcall first. Who does that? Not support Soraka, especially with the damage nerfs. While the OP is pushing hard for changes NOW and she honestly should not have been hit this hard in the first place though, I don't think they're going to knee-jerk reaction buff her either. They'll probably spend at least twice as long thinking about her buffs as they did her nerfs.

But if we end up with another Eve situation (waiting over a year for a rework on an intentionally destroyed champion), I don't think the playerbase is going to be very happy.

Canastus5/31/2014, 8:54:12 PM2 votes

I'm quite shocked at the lack of red responses so far.

I can't believe they actually had the will to cause such tremendous damage to her just to discard her entirely afterwards. She's literally comparable to Urgot now, not even dedicated Soraka mains who used to play her for YEARS can make this rotten goat corpse work anymore.

Nowadays you WILL get reported for playing her. What has Soraka done to you to merit such a cruel fate, Riot? This is not how you should approach a rework. You need to give something back to her, there's no way around it.

Wolfeur5/29/2014, 7:03:28 PM2 votes

If you are concerned about Soraka's rework, I'd like to suggest you to see my rework idea, which I posted on the community. This link will direct you to the last version I wrote in the topic. This is not exactly about the subject but since you seem to like Soraka, I'd like your feedback on it.

Nickolas Phage5/30/2014, 12:56:04 AM1 votes

I don't like how you demand changes to her, as if Riot owes you something. Seems kinda obstinate :s.

Catastrophic375/30/2014, 3:10:06 AM1 votes

Raka is a retarded solo lane idea. She is a support. Who cares if it can be done. A car can drive on railroad tracks, but that doesn't mean you do it. Tired of seeing the idiots arguing how viable or doable it is, then costing a team a ranked game. Anything can be done in bronze against a moron enemy.

Wasabo5/30/2014, 5:26:40 AM1 votes

I think they should rework soraka so she becomes the sriracha pizza horse where she is a star that rides on the pizza horse and she throws munky banans at enemies and she is from the freiljord and killed sejuanai

Silverclaw6/2/2014, 7:07:59 PM1 votes

I feel like they could make some changes to buff support soraka - she's always been the support I hate playing with the most (outside of niche support picks like Teemo). However, with Soraka's current kit, they have to be wary of buffing solo lane Soraka - before her nerfs, she could jump into the mid lane and counter virtually everyone and hard counter every melee mid (fast lane pushing w/ ramping damage, silence).

However, I don't feel like removing her mana costs is the way to do it (solo lane soraka becomes a problem again), and I'm unsure of how else it could work without investigation.

Linna Excel5/29/2014, 6:42:41 PM1 votes

I wouldn't expect anything for 4.9 because I haven't seen any PBE changes listed for her. Maybe in 4.10 they'll do something to get her out of the urgot tier.

Or they could just be waiting a month or two to see how players change their games around the mana issues.

Marthian6/2/2014, 10:37:54 PM1 votes

To be honest, I didn't like the changes either. But I played a few games (with minor item changes) and she's still good (her heal is a lot better now since now you only need to Q say 2 times instead of 3, which can be a huge deal.)

Start of game, I build item 3303 2item 2044 , then first back item 3098, then item 2049 . After that, my core build is item 3027 item 3151 item 3158 item 3143 item 3174 item 2045. I sell item 3098 as soon as I need the slot since by then, I've made back the cost of FF and then some (in addition to selling it) as well as the boost in Soraka's poor early game poke (with support runes/masteries.)

The end result is she's a decent tank, she almost never runs out of mana, and she has decent AP to boost her heals (and a lesser extent: damage.)

Penguin Eclipse5/29/2014, 8:04:31 PM1 votes

I'd be surprised if they touched her again in the next couple months and I wouldn't be surprised if they left her alone entirely until her rework lands. They simply don't want her to be viable in the solo lane and the fact that it permanently breaks support Soraka seems to have been deemed acceptable collateral damage. Otherwise they would never have nerfed her E, which support Soraka depended on much more than solo lane Soraka. Maybe they even want support Soraka to be damaged. Her % picked rate and winrate have tanked. The less people that play her, the less they have to worry about people complaining when they rework her.

I agree, it completely sucks. It is to the point where I feel I deserve to be reported if I take her in ranked because picking her is literally assisting the enemy team. The one exception is if you are duoing with the adc and have a plan going in, but otherwise she is of little use to anyone.

Lneacx5/29/2014, 9:16:27 PM1 votes

Soraka's damage rotation costs so much mana now because the combination of E / Q means that 1) Your target can't dodge any of your damage, and 2) They can't fight back because they're silenced. Both of these mean that Soraka's lane harass comes without counterplay or risk of retaliation, so to tone this power down Riot decided to gate it with heightened manacosts.

That's my interpretation, in any case. Until Soraka no longer has a guaranteed, long-duration silence, she can't be allowed to spam damage. Otherwise it's impossible to trade against her.