Like seriously, why would supports like Annie, sona or Zyra go full ap when they are "supporting"? It really bothers me. They have no intention of protecting adc which is bad. But when these "support" get fed, adc are useless and they become another ap mid. I say ap scales needs to go down a lot. Making all the supports get utility items instead of damage item.
Well annie and zyra aren't designed as supports, but they make good supports with cc and kit. Another thing, doing this is a choice with its own risks. Yeah a full ap annie is scary and does a lot, but full damage "supports" are only effective when a team is ahead. Here's a few things that full damage supports cost their team:
No vision to warn of the enemy team currently lurking in your jungle
No Aegis/Solari to shield from that big AOE that just turned the team fight
The support can't soak any damage because they're glass cannon instead of grabbing the utility items
Like you said, the support is busy trying to chase down their adc and yours is left alone.
Yeah, having a 2nd apc is annoying, but I've seen AD thresh support yasuo, and we all know nidalee. It isn't that damage supports are making adc obsolete, its that they take away some of the adc's potential to further their own.
I think you have a misguided understanding about why the relationship between support and adc was the way it was. Without income items, there's a need for one champ not to farm. What we now consider traditional support champions were the ones that could provide utility on a shoestring budget so that fell to them. If they weren't farming, it was necessary for them to partner with another champion for experience. It turned out that marksmen, with their item-dependent late game and fragile early game, benefited a lot from the partnership, so that's what happened. It also happened that marksmen's late game was a key element of the traditional composition's winning strategy. Hence the term "ad carry".
That relationship isn't written in stone. Two of those three factors are no longer the case. One, there's an alternate income mechanism for supports so it isn't necessary for them to operate on a shoestring budget. Two, other changes in the metagame have made "get the adc to the late game" a less dominant strategy. Sometimes, it's viable and correct for a team to, instead, let the support champion become a mage in its own right. As the other poster mentioned, there are tradeoffs to this strategy: reduced vision, ease of disruption, and, as you've noted, a less fed marksman. In the current environment, sometimes it's correct to get the marksman fed, sometimes it's correct to let the support champion build AP. I appreciate that the option exists and I don't want to return to the environment where the support champion exists only to bring utility, wards, and auras from items.
I think that previously because of the limited budget and the reliance on supports for all of the team's vision, supports were in a rather unhealthy place where they were forced into a fairly poor position in terms of game-play. Supports were essentially an extension of their ADC. Only really as valuable as their ADC player was skilled. I'm not saying players weren't enjoying it, but, if you didn't enjoy that particular style of play there were no alternatives. That's it. Support-Slave or bust.
With the changes supports have more options, a larger budget, and are no longer have the requirement to be the solo provider of vision for their team. So supports have options, they can potentially become real threats to the opposition's team. It means there's alternatives for supports.
I think that's a good thing for the health of the game. Certainly it's opened up options for what can be played bot. While not every champion is top tier competitive, more champions can be run bot, particularly in the lower rankings.
I also disagree that ADC's are weaker because supports aren't focusing on being healer bots. Bringing more damage to the table in bot lane often means that there is more action in that lane. That means there's more kill potential. That can be a good thing. In comparison to the old days back in season one where bot lane could be a quite passive lane (depending on the match up), bot lane tends towards being much more exciting now and more kills means more gold for everyone.
Well, assuming that your team is getting the kills.
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I'd rather punish the ADC then hurt my wallet as a Support >.> And I protect my ADCs as long as they don't rush in like fools in which is annoying when they should also learn the kit of support champs, Sona's Heals don't stack good so you can't count on her Heals 100% of the time at all in which her Q stacks greatly along with her Passive which makes her great to poke enemies down for "ADCs!" To grab their kills, otherwise you have just allowed us the "Opportunity" to become stronger than you. Posting this is an insult and disgraceful to other ADC players. Please look over and I mean look over the Stats and Ratios for Support Champs, We're not punching bags for you to hide behind.
Morgana, her Shield is great for you, Her Q snares and deals tons of damage, and her W ensures easy CS cleanups if used correctly and her Ultimate with Zhonya's is perfect for you to poke and kill while I'm Standing in the middle of battle, shining.
Zyra, Her job is to practically poke and snare your enemy down which is essential that her roots and flowers deal the damage (Not take the hits for you) In which its "Your" job as an ADC to take the kills as we ensure their HP is below 40% for you to either "Ult" As Caitlyn, Ezreal, Vayne, Even Urgot can do his job.
Annie, Her Stuns and burns and even Tibbers I do not need to discuss how essential it is for her to be building AP for ADCs as we have already seen in the LCS and even in game.
Annie's focus is mainly zoning out enemy champs from farming, and punishing them with cc if they try to. She and Zyra both get abilities that stop enemy champions from moving, which allows the adc to freely attack them without them running away.
And that is why they need that new matchmaking system with role pick.Almost every MMO RPG has that thing, and it makes team forming so easy to the point where instead of arguing over position, people actually have time to talk about STRATEGY for once instead of raging before a game starts and making ranked waaaaayyy easier!
I dont think that the champs need to change, but i do think people playing supports should actually support instead of trying to carry. This doesnt mean they should not do damage. Im at my best as a support if my harass actually means something, if my burst is considerable, or i can tank really well. I think you also have to consider how often the support really needs to use there utility offensively rather than to just protect the adc. if your saving your aoe stun just for peeling, your wasting it. If your playing an adc, you already have all the tools you need to carry, and if your support is doing the carrying instead of you, maybe you should focus on improving yourself.
