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Talon QoL change may be needed!

Mooseville·3/3/2014, 3:57:12 PM·7 votes·364 views

Hello to anyone who took precious time out of their day to read my input on my favorite champion.

Currently, Talon's Q: Noxian Diplomacy deals 30/60/90/120/150(+ 30% Bonus AD)additional damage, followed by 10/20/30/40/50(+ 100% Bonus AD) over 6 seconds, Talon is given vision of the target for the duration.

My issue with this is that the cooldown for Noxian Diplomacy is 4 seconds at rank 5 with zero cooldown reduction. If you're constantly using the ability on the same target, you're potentially losing 1/3 of the power offered to you.

A proposed fix to this issue is to have the damage and reveal portions of the ability separated in a fashion similar to the Nidalee trap. The damage could then be condensed to deal the same amount over 2 seconds while still revealing for the current duration. With a 2 second duration, the damage would have a 100% chance to complete itself no matter how much CDR you get. This would also offer better synergy with his E ability: Cutthroat, as it has a higher chance to deal it's full damage while still amplified.

If there did need to be some tradeoff for potentially dealing higher damage, the duration of the vision could be reduced to 4 seconds. However, I don't necessarily see this as necessary, but regardless it's still an option.

Once again, thanks for taking time to read. Please leave any positive or negative input that you may have. I'd hope to have a Riot member give some sort of input as well.

9 Comments

Sneak Dog3/6/2014, 1:05:09 PM2 votes

I think he just needs a new burst pattern. He currently either oneshots you or not within a VERY short timeframe, having the bleed take longer at least adds a bit of time. Of course, it overriding itself is an awful idea, so perhaps make it stackable?

Mooseville3/4/2014, 1:49:19 PM2 votes

It's not that he needs more burst, his skill just overlaps itself and prevents it from dealing full damage in some scenarios. Just because he's a burst assassin doesn't mean that he should be made to suffer if he spams his Q.

Mooseville3/12/2014, 5:51:59 PM1 votes

bump

Mooseville3/3/2014, 3:54:28 PM1 votes

I'm aware that I posted this on GD already but I reposted the thread here in order to garner a bit more attention to the issue

I am Razgriz3/7/2014, 3:30:27 AM1 votes

I like this idea so I upvoted it.

Slightly off-topic but on-topic at the same time. I wish his Bleed synergized with Darius. After all, poisons from Singed and Teemo synergize with Cassiopeia.

Sire Hippington3/7/2014, 5:09:02 PM1 votes

Thats not a good idea. The only reason why his Q deals as much dmg as it does on only 4 sec base cd is that a good part of the dmg is a non stacking dot, limiting the dps u can get out of it. It deals 306+2.3ad dmg on lvl 18, with a 4 sec cd that would be totally broken if it was not for the no-stacking dot.

Rubitonabuilding3/4/2014, 2:19:09 AM1 votes

I read this as: pls riot give talon more burst. Talon is already my worst nightmare, he doesn't need any more burst. XD