@Riot: What's up with allowing people to carry others to higher ranks?

Paqi·11/10/2013, 12:24:16 PM·3 votes·871 views

I'd like to hear someone explain why Riot allows two people of extremely different elos to duo-queue together in ranked. How does this improve the quality of match-making? It's generally used to carry the lower-elo player to a higher rank than they're able to achieve on their own. How isn't this just broken?

Why not just disallow duo-queue when the two players have too great of a rank difference.

17 Comments

Darth Joberin11/10/2013, 5:31:08 PM2 votes

well hold on now I understand what your saying about this being wrong BUT.... you also have to think about the people who are held back by teammates who fail in their role and that way only duo que with friends who may be a higher lvl...case in point I main Support ok now no matter how much work I put in I can't save bad players and because I am in Bronze I am doomed to either Force pick a carry position in order to move up in ranked or luckly get desent teammates who I can help make great plays....now even though I am Bronze I have friends on ranked teams who I support that are Sliver Gold and even a Platinum V now if they trust me to support them why shouldn't I do it in ranked and get the added benefit of moving up in ranked position if I am good enough to play at that lvl. Now I do agree that getting carried through a Teir is wrong however it is a team game you can't move up in ranked alone it takes a team effort. and if I team up with a equally skilled player who is in a different Tier then me what am I doing wrong?

Saphlan11/11/2013, 11:45:16 PM2 votes

It's broken mostly because it ruins games. Even if both teams have == MMR why should a Silver player have to lane against a Diamond? That isn't what they signed up for when they qued up for ranked. It's not fair for people from wildly different leagues to be matched against each other in a ranked ladder.

Apollinarius11/12/2013, 8:54:02 PM2 votes

You're making it sound like this is an easy thing to do. Find higher ranked friend, and bam, your elo rises.

When you duo, the combined MMR is significantly higher than the average of your two MMRs. So, if two Silver players duo, they're playing against Gold players.

If a high Plat player duos with a Silver, they're playing against low Plat players, not Gold or Silver players. Now, if your Plat friend is so great that he's able to consistently win games with the Silver teammate, one of two things are happening: the Silver player is not as bad as his MMR indicates and was on his way up anyway, or the Plat player is actually high Diamond, but he hasn't stopped rising.

In both cases, both players deserve to rise, and they both will. When a high league player is playing with a low league player and winning, they're both increasing their ratings. How come nobody ever calls it boosting for the higher ranked player? If it were so easy to win, then all higher league players would be looking for lower leaguers to match with and increase their own chances of winning.

Funny, they aren't doing that. Maybe it's because it's actually harder to win games that way than if you're playing only with people in your own range.

eKatSS11/10/2013, 3:58:27 PM1 votes

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Sauzeles11/13/2013, 3:28:05 PM1 votes

The reason, I'm sure, is that they don't want to restrict these two from enjoying games together. The reality, though, is that if they really wanted to just play together, they could still do it very easily in non-ranked games. Alternatively, if they really wanted to play ranked together, a restriction such as the one you mention would serve as a good motivator to the lower-tier player to get their rank up. I agree that nothing good comes from allowing duo-queuing of gold and bronze players (or even wider gaps!), and that a lot of good comes from disallowing it.