Please read: Olaf does not need buffs, he needs a rework.

vuduchikin·7/16/2014, 5:18:20 PM·13 votes·2,224 views

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post (PBE forums seem dead lately), but I decided to give it a shot.

Riot: Buffing Olaf isn't the way to go. The issue with him is that his kit just doesn't work. It's clunky, it's awkward, it's whatever other synonym you can come up with. He needs a rework. Please consider these points:

  1. Vicious Strikes is NOT effective outside of lane (and specific dueling situations). The Attack Speed is nearly impossible to make use of during a team fight. Why? A. As Olaf, you'll be spending most of the fight running, spamming your axes, picking said axes up, and throwing in a Reckless Swing when you can. Also considering the fact that a skilled opponent will ALWAYS try to kite you, you can never stop and auto attack-- and B. Even when you can auto attack, Undertow and Reckless Swing are both channeled, so they cancel auto attack animations. With all of this in mind, Vicious Strikes is almost a dead ability in team fights.

  2. Ragnarok isn't working. I understand that you want to give opponents the luxury of "counter-play", but this isn't the way to go with it. When you're plowing through the enemy team to try and dive somebody, the last thing you want to do is become vulnerable. Very few Ultimates in the game have a drawback as major as Olaf's. It needs to be changed-- tone down the offensive aspect, and increase the defensive aspect. This needs to happen in order for him to be able to compete with other bruisers at his job. Here's are a couple possible changes:

New Ragnarok #1: Cut the AD in half (20/30/40), and keep the passive portion while its active. In my opinion, this seems like the most simple solution. He doesn't gain as much damage right off the bat, but he gets to keep his defense which helps him do his job as an anti-carry. It also makes the idea of an earlier offensive item more reasonable, since before, if you got something like a Ravenous Hydra early, you were very susceptible when you tried to dive (holy run-on).

New Ragnarok #2: Remove the AD entirely, double the passive portion while Ragnarok is active, and POSSIBLY give it movement speed (something like 15/30/45). This basically forces Olaf players to buy some sort of offensive item in order to do adequate damage. The good thing is, not only do you get a good defensive steroid during the active (allowing you to properly dive and still retaining, though weakening, his dueling potential), but you get great and MUCH-NEEDED utility through the movement speed. Many Olaf players seem to like the idea of movement speed on Ragnarok.

Please, Riot. I don't know how else to express desperation. Don't buff Olaf. It fixes nothing. REWORK him.

Reference threads:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=48528898#post48528898

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=48522786#post48522786 ^^ Suggestions.

49 Comments

Tomosima7/16/2014, 9:14:15 PM7 votes

I'f they wanna retain his current kit they need to give him these buff's,I'f not then rework him completely .

Base stat's: HP: 534 -> 554 Armor per lvl: 3.0 -> 3.8 Mana nerf's reverted

Q: Undertow: Base damage nerf reverted Cast animation removed

W: Vicious strikes: CD: 16 -> 14

E: Reckless swing: Cast animation halved

vuduchikin7/16/2014, 6:00:28 PM5 votes

I might be wrong but wasn't he reworked into his current form on purpose? Isn't that where we get Olafed from?

The term "Olaf'd" comes from the brutal set of nerfs he received early last year (I believe). He was reworked after months of being in an awful spot and being considered the worst champion. The thing is, very little suggestions from the horde of Olaf players that flooded the forums were actually taken into account and implemented in the final Olaf iteration. He's still in a really bad spot, and Riot is testing buffs on the PBE. The thread explains the rest.

SFHFWill7/16/2014, 10:05:17 PM3 votes

Olaf of lore is suppose to wade into the battle, just balls deep, with no f**ks given. This isn't the case. Right now with high mobility ADC's being the issue they will just dash away and now Olaf is in the middle of a team as a squishy bruiser. He'll die quickly without forcing much out of his opponent. The rework was to solve the problem of building full tank with amazing damage b/c he'd throw his axes at his feet and spam that skill non-stop. Now he does neither of those things. Olaf needs move speed and defensive stats on his ulti.

ManDudeMcDudeman7/16/2014, 10:10:28 PM3 votes

Number one seems like the best course to take for Ragnarok, as far as simplicity goes. Olaf doesn't really need more damage, he needs a way to actually get to his targets in one piece so he can do the damage he has.

I still don't understand why Gizmo put so much emphasis on auto-attacking with Olaf, when the champion does so little of it in a fight. I know they want him to rely on attacks more, but with how he is now, he just gets his ass kicked if he tries to duke it with actual dedicated auto-attackers. Jax, for example, has SO many AA-enhancers in his kit that Olaf will never be able to straight duel him.

Olaf fights in lane by using E and Q to whittle enemies down before going HAM on them for the kill. He's always been like this - hell, he's still like this now - all the attack speed in the world isn't going to change that, because basic attacks with no modifiers are terrible on a bruiser, even with a ton of attack speed.

ILoveTiramisu7/16/2014, 8:12:55 PM3 votes

I agree with Ragnarok, but I still think you can buy frozen mallet. I like olaf because he is very bully in lane and still scale well. I also don't think olaf need a buff.

KSHarrison7/17/2014, 9:57:43 AM3 votes

What's the difference in moving numbers around on his ult?

If you give him less damage but make him tankier, then Olaf just trades one defensive item for an offensive item. Whatever number trade off you make, it will be compensated for in his item build and won't make a huge difference in performance.

If you want to give him MS, then just suggest giving the ult MS.

And if you land an Undertow at close range, you sure as hell aren't being kited anymore as long as your ult is up. The issue is really a universal one in that melee champions without strong gap closers have trouble being viable. That's the problem to be addressed, and it applies to more champions than Olaf.

vuduchikin7/16/2014, 10:14:13 PM2 votes

A bit off topic, but if you want to discuss Olaf, join "Olaf Fan Club" in the in-game chat.

Mindworm Jim7/18/2014, 2:12:50 AM2 votes

I'm actually mildly surprised you seem so focused on changing Ragnarok and it's passive, when it seems to me that Vicious Strikes is far more responsible for Olaf's current status.

The extra armor and magic resist is nice, but it's pretty minor. I don't really notice the difference from when I have it or don't have it. Vicious Strikes, on the other hand, is practically a dead button on my keyboard.

ModCaptainMårvelous7/17/2014, 12:21:06 AM2 votes

If they wanted to make Olaf more of an auto-attack, it'd be cool if they made those skills reflect it.

Like instead of E being a target, the next auto-attack procs it. Now you can chase people down and tap E through the fight instead of manually targeting people and slapping them with E.

An idea. Not the best but possibly something that might work better to giving his kit more flow instead of "1/2 chasing caster, 1/2 auto-attack monster"

MrSc0tty7/17/2014, 1:51:10 AM2 votes

I was under the impression that Vicious Strikes was mainly for jungle clearing and lane sustain and really only meant to be useful in a straight up duel when an enemy champ is coming to you with their melee power.

Vumsy7/17/2014, 2:48:51 AM2 votes

Auto attacking with Olaf is a pain, sure, but you ARE rewarded for doing so. It's hard to chain Q's, E's and Autos properly, but when done correctly his damage output goes through the roof.

To be honest, I have no problem with Olaf. He fits most teams, counter CC and gets countered by kiting and shield/heal/movementspeed supports. I don't see a problem with that.

Earl Eulrich7/17/2014, 11:51:53 AM2 votes

i personally think he could use some MS-buff if he runs towards an opponent, maybe on the w - but other than that he still deals a frightening amount of dmg if he can close the gap, so it shouldn´t be a no brainer. In the right comp he still can be a menace to deal with.

Silver V Slacker7/21/2014, 12:06:04 PM1 votes

Those ult changes / ideals are pretty much his original ult before Riot gutted him.

Best trundle TR7/16/2014, 10:34:09 PM1 votes

I'm a sad viking.......Riot ignores olaf. his dueling power is not that good. lee sin has same dueling power with huge mobility+outplay potential.

vuduchikin7/17/2014, 3:55:54 AM1 votes

I hope we at least get some sort of word on Olaf before these changes go live (if they even do).

vuduchikin7/17/2014, 4:51:55 AM1 votes

A lot of Olaf players would like some communication, Riot. Don't be scared. We want nothing more than to just sit down with you.

vuduchikin7/18/2014, 1:04:29 AM1 votes

Would really like a response.

Linna Excel7/16/2014, 5:25:26 PM1 votes

I might be wrong but wasn't he reworked into his current form on purpose? Isn't that where we get Olafed from?