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Is this reasonable to expect?

CarbonWyre··1 votes·564 views

Every game I queue for, no matter what position I get, I expect each lane to play in a way that doesn't cause problems outside of their lane during the laning phase.

By that I mean, don't die so much that your lane/jungle can roam and instakill my lane. Don't miss MIA's. And preferably don't lose tower before taking theirs.

That's all I expect out of a team. I don't expect a super amazing team, an amazing win, super awesome plays. I just want you to play in a way that until mid-late when laning isn't so much a thing, I don't have to worry about your lane or their jungler being able to change the balance in my lane.

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Knight Magenta2 votes

No... its not. There are two people in each lane. One of them has to lose their tower first.

Chaotic1341 votes

I agree with this but his wording includes "before taking theirs." He just doesn't want his team to lose tower first.

SirTezla1 votes

To be honest, yes, this is expected by a mass majority of ranked players and is indeed reasonable to expect. I expect this as well, I expect my team mates not to feed and if they're playing a solo lane (top, mid) they can carry their lane early game along with the help from the jungler.

Chaotic1341 votes

I agree with this post however:

A. I can excuse missing one or two MIAs simply because I ward lane constantly (I buy at least 2 wards and if I can I'll get 3 and keep them stocked until I can't anymore) so I should be looking at the map and knowing who is going to come gank me (assuming they don't have teleport and tp somewhere I can't see them).

B. While I hate losing tower I don't consider it the end of the world because if I let their wave push I can freeze at tower and farm a large wave with little harassment while being pretty close to base if a threat presents itself. Losing a tower does tend to bother me more if I'm mid, though. However, being top or bot lane I don't sweat it too much as long as mid either has taken the tower or has a different advantage (gold, good wave clear, good zoning…)

I definitely agree with wanting to not feed the enemy laner so they can roam especially if they have the power to instakill. I can forgive a couple deaths due to stupid mistakes because everyone makes them once in a while but there's a mantra I keep that is basically a blanket statement for everything listed here.

It's that you should always learn from your mistakes and if you aren't doing that then you should start or I'm just going to ignore you so I don't have to play with someone who can't or won't learn from their errors. If you die and you understand why then you should die that way again.

btw we haven't played a game together, yet, I don't think. We should do that some time.

Tulare1 votes

I actually think that this is not reasonable to expect. I liken LoL to bowling. Normal games are like just screwing around with friends and ranked games are like bowling in a league. Do people take bowling leagues more seriously? Sure. But you know who they allow into a bowling league? Anybody. Terrible bowlers are allowed to join leagues too. Likewise, terrible LoL players are allowed to play ranked too.

I appreciate that it's frustrating when you get paired with a terrible player. If, however, everybody has a right to "expect" teammates who are at least average, then all of a sudden, those below average players are pariahs. Frankly, that sounds like the situation as it stands right now. Everybody believes that they have a right to teammates who are at least average and rages when they're paired with a below-average player. If that's the alternative, then no, I can't endorse that expectation.

Chaotic1341 votes

I think you're mistaking "reasonable to expect" with "reasonable to demand". I posted a comment on what I generally expect but I certainly don't demand it and I definitely know that there are people who make mistakes and are still learning. You know me. I don't rage at anyone (except myself and not out loud).

I don't think OP is saying you aren't allowed to be below average. I think he's saying you have to TRY to be at least average (or at least that's how I'm interpreting this). Which isn't too much to ask. In any game you should put forth effort. Even if it's at screwing around with friends.

Tulare1 votes

It could just be semantics. I'm thinking about a bell curve, though. Assume 10 random players. Typically, 7/10 will be about average, just a little above or below. The remaining 3/10 will be an assortment of players who are noticeably better or noticeably worse than the other 7. And every other game, replace one of those 3 with a player who is much better or worse than the other 7.

So yes, you can expect people to try hard but just by the numbers, there's typically going to be a player on at least one of the teams who is noticeably worse than the others.

Chaotic1341 votes

I can agree with that. I don't mind a player that makes a bunch of mistakes as long as they don't happen more than 1 or 2 times. 3 times is silly (in the not-good way) and 4 and 5 are unacceptable. That's how my scale works and I try to live by it.

Tulare1 votes

I could just be unusually tolerant because I think I'm often the player who is noticeably worse and then find myself in the position of defending the dignity of the player who is much worse.

Chaotic1341 votes

That makes sense. Though, you aren't a bad support.

Chaotic1341 votes

Also, that's an excellent mentality to have as long as it drives you to do better.

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