Yasuo, Tryndamere v2.0?

xDeadScYthe·Dec 13, 2013·2 votes·160 views

Tryndamere is, and has been, a very difficult champion to lane against since the release of lifesteal Quints. I believe the reason for this is because of his built in Crit steroid, and the synergy between critical strikes and lifesteal. A critical strike deals twice the damage of a normal strike, and thus grants you twice as much health as a normal strike would heal. This makes lifesteal very powerful when combined with crit.

Suppose you are running lifesteal quints and have a purchased a , then you have 16% lifesteal. If you are able to deal a 100 damage attack(after armor midigation), then you would heal yourself for 16 health. Now, if that same attack crit, it would deal 200 damage(after armor midigation), and you would heal yourself for 32 health. This, combined with Tryndamere's base armor, flat armor seals, Mocking Shout, and Spinning Slash, make it very difficult for many champions to trade with Tryndamere effectively.

An ideal trade for Tryndamere would be to activate Mocking Shout(to reduce nearby enemy's AD by 20 at lvl 1), auto attack for the duration of Mocking Shout(benefitting from lifesteal, and possibly critically striking during this period), and using Spinning Slash to simultaneously damage the enemy champion and to disengage when convenient. Tryndamere's trading power is very strong.

Tryndamere is also known as one of the best(if not the very best) split-pushers in the game. His Spinning Slash makes him very mobile, and deals AoE(area of effect) damage that does not diminish when hitting multiple enemies. Once Tryndamere purchases a , he is able to destroy a whole minion wave very quickly by spinning through it and using statikk shiv's chain lightning. Statikk Shiv's lightning deals magic damage, and will critically hit if the basic attack Tryndamere used to activate it was a critical hit.

Tryndamere's high damage, self-healing, maneuverability, and pushing power, make it difficult for only 1 enemy to stop him. It will usually take 2-3 enemy champions to stop Tryndamere from pushing. This leaves the enemy team with a tough choice. Does the enemy team send 2-3 champions up top to stop Tryndamere from pushing down towers? If so, then they will be outnumbered at whatever objective the rest of Tryndamere's team is trying to take. However, if they send only 1 champion to defend against Tryndamere, there is a high possibility that Tryndamere will slay that champion and keep pushing.

Tryndamere's only real weakness is when there is a champion on the enemy's team that can defend against Tryndamere by themselves, under a tower. Some champions such as are able to nullify Tryndamere's ability to push down a tower, and force him to group with his team for a teamfight. This is not an ideal situation for Tryndamere, as his kit does not lend well to teamfights. He has only 1 form of cc, which is an AD debuff, and possible slow(depending on the direction the enemies are facing). Tryndamere is very susceptible to kiting, hard cc, and cannot initiate a fight. He has a gap-closer, but if used to initiate, he will have no way to escape, and usually he will either die or deal very little damage.

This is what brings my attention to Yasuo. He appears to be very similar to Tryndamere in that he is a melee fighter, has a critical strike steroid(his passive), is highly mobile(his E), has no resource bar, and appears to be very good at trading with other champions(crits, lifesteal, knock-up, passive shield, and low cooldown dash).

Yasuo seems similar to Tryndamere in some ways, but vastly superior in other ways, mainly in teamfights. If Yasuo is faced with a problem while split-pushing, he can very easily and effectively teamfight with his team. Yasuo's ultimate(last breath) brings him from a completely safe location, right into the middle of the enemy team, damages and CCs any airborne targets for an additional 1 second, and grants Yasuo 50% penetration to all enemies' bonus armor for 15 seconds. Yasuo also has an AoE knock-up, low cooldown dash, low cooldown AoE ability, and a shield that absorbs 650 damage at lvl 18.

Yasuo's Wind Wall protects him(and the other bruisers in your team) from being kited by ranged champions. It also helps him in lane, by stopping certain ranged attackers from harassing him while CSing( ) Wind Wall also seems extremely useful in teamfights, as you can essentially force an ADC to choose to reposition immediately, or deal 0 damage for the next 3.75 seconds. 3.75 seconds is a lot of time in a teamfight, where Yasuo bypasses 50% of the enemy bruiser's and tank's armor.

I can not currently playtest Yasuo, as I am on vacation in Hawaii. :P But he seems to be very similar to Tryndamere, except that he appears to perform well against champions that would give Tryndamere a bit of trouble, he performs very well in teamfights, and he has hard cc. Once Yasuo reaches level 6, and if the jungler on his team has a knock-up( a kill is almost insured).

I would probably use a rune page like this:

http://leaguecraft.com/runes/?marks=36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36&seals=49,49,49,49,49,49,49,49,49&glyphs=6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6&quints=293,293,293

This would grant Yasuo 22% critical strike chance before buying any items. Starting with x3 and rushing a and would put him at 16% lifesteal and 38% crit chance, giving him plenty of sustain and trading power, for only spending your starting gold and 840 additional gold.

What do you guys think? Is Yasuo just a better version of Tryndamere? Will there be any reason to play Tryndamere after Yasuo is released? This post isn't meant to be a "YASUO TOOO OP, MUST NERF NAOOO!". I'm just curious as to what you all think about Yasuo, and if Tryndamere will ever be a better pick than Yasuo.

Discuss!

9 Comments

OpasonofpopaDec 13, 20132 votes

To me it seems that Yasuo has so much stuff in his kit that when played extremely well he can easily be the best champion in the game. The difficulty is actually reaching that level of play, which is ridiculously hard.

Tryndamere on the other hand is relatively easy to play and still has many strenghts.

The matter if Yasuo will be better than Tryndamere will be determined by how hard it is to actually utilize Yasuo to his fullest, which we cannot tell yet.

VexingRavenDec 14, 20131 votes

How is Yasuo in any way difficult? In lane he can easily out-trade most champions, disengage or engage basically as will, has a small ranged harass, great ganking synergy with his CC ability. His massive shield gives him a very strong "Give no fucks" factor the entire game, and combined with his high mobility allows him to screw up quite hard little negative effect unless he basically dives into the entire enemy team alone.

jwf999Dec 13, 20131 votes

But tryndameres ult though nuf said

xDeadScYtheDec 13, 20131 votes

What situation does Tryndamere's ultimate give him an advantage over Yasuo's kit? Tryndamere's ult does not give him an advantage in teamfighting, and one could definitely argue that Yasuo's cc would give him an advantage in dueling and splitpushing. Yasuo's wind wall prevents him from taking ranged damage for 3.75 seconds, which is 1.25 seconds shorter than Tryndamere's ultimate, is that 1.25 seconds(maybe 2 auto-attacks) worth sacrificing the rest of Yasuo's kit?

jwf999Dec 13, 20131 votes

Well as you know tryndamere can crit really well so you can juke the wall and just proceed to dominate after the first wave of buffs from riot that always happen it'll be just fine

xDeadScYtheDec 13, 20131 votes

I would definitely agree that Tryndamere can crit really well. Yasuo's crit chance however would be much higher than Tryndamere's. Runes, statikk, and IE, would put Yasuo at 100% critical strike chance. The only point where Tryndamere's crit would be higher, is before Yasuo purchases zeal, which is a small window. Yasuo's ultimate allows him to bypass 50% of his opponent's bonus armor as well, which would mean that he crits even harder than Tryndamere(despite the 10% less crit damage), unless the opponent has not built any bonus armor.

You can definitely juke the wall as well, but while juking Yasuo's wall, you are dealing 0 damage. Tryndamere's ultimate prevents him from being reduced below 1 hp. Yasuo's Wind Wall, which has a lower cooldown, prevents him from taking ranged damage all together. Yasuo will still have pleanty of hp after his Wind Wall has dissipated, while Tryndamere will usually be between 1 and 300 hp after his ultimate ends.

I am not sure if I'm interpreting your post correctly, but after reading it a few times, it seems that you assume Riot will buff Tryndamere. I do not agree with that idea, as Tryndamere is already at least an A+ tier character, maybe even a S tier character. Giving Tryndamere a buff would imbalance the game even further. I feel as though Yasuo's passive, which doubles his crit chance, should be reworked, as it is going to be a balancing nightmare.

If that is not the idea you are trying to get across, then I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say in your reply.

jwf999Dec 13, 20131 votes

Nah riots not going to buff him but as you said in your original post he's more of a split pusher 1v1 type of person but really I think tryndamere is going to fall out of favor while yauso will be the primary pick

xDeadScYtheDec 13, 20131 votes

I agree with you, 100 percent.

Yasuo will be a better split pusher than Tryndamere. Yasuo will be better than Tryndamere in almost every aspect.

Tryndamere Starts the game with 6 more AD than Yasuo, and 35% flat crit(if he doesn't ever have to use his Q to heal). Yasuo's AD per level is the same as Tryndamere's(3.2 AD/lvl). However, Yasuo gains 4% attack speed per level, while Tryndamere receives only 2.9%. This may not seem like much, but it is almost 20% attack speed at level 18. Auto attack reliant champions rely on AD, AS, and crit to deal damage. Would you rather have 6 AD, or 20% higher attack speed? Yasuo quickly outscales Tryndamere's crit chance. If Tryndamere and Yasuo both rush Statikk Shiv, Tryndamere will have 55% crit chance, and Yasuo will have 62% crit chance(assuming Tryndamere is using 20% attack speed runes, and Yasuo is using 11% crit chance runes). Their auto attack damage will be about equivalent at this point, but any crit purchases after this(Infinity Edge for example) will greatly favor Yasuo.

jwf999Dec 13, 20131 votes

I'm not saying yauso is better I'm just saying. Yauso is going to be the new jinx, where everybody said she outclassed every adc like at that moment Lucian was considered very bad and hard to play but now he is considerably better than jinx at the pro level. I'm just saying that in 2 months from now tryndamere will be better or equal to yauso