If you dodge consistently your LP gains per win for the rest of the day will diminish.

Critkeeper·4/30/2014, 12:33:55 PM·8 votes·1,191 views

I feel like I'm being punished for not dodging games that look iffy. I always stick it through, and let people play non-meta champs in non-meta positions in the hope that they are legitimate. I give people that chance, and I get punished for not dodging.

Just losing a flat amount of LP isn't a sufficient penalty. I can hardly join a ranked queue without the queue flushing 3 or 4 times and people dodging 2 or 3 times. Eventually either both teams are replete with standard meta picks or their team is and my team isn't, because of the 5 on their team, any 5 are willing to dodge a nonstandard comp, but on our team only 4-- I refuse to dodge games even if our comp looks iffy.

I'm being punished for doing what RIOT encourages me to do with LP penalties and it doesn't feel good at all.

19 Comments

HazeyInDaHead5/1/2014, 6:25:05 PM3 votes

There are few worse feelings than smiling at your perfectly selected team comp with all the players getting what they want and not arguing just to be thrown back into the q... again and again and again....

UNTIL you finally are teamed up with a bunch of pubescent arguing children... Its literally the most soulcrushing feeling due to the fact that in season 4 a single person just cant carry a game anymore. You have to depend on your team even just a little bit..

And people just dodge for days until they get their perfectly desired team comp...? So annoying, its like being robbed of legitimate wins until you are stuck with a loss.

I shouldnt have to dodge just because 6 other people dodged until they got what they wanted.

Bethor Kookalian5/1/2014, 4:47:06 AM2 votes

1.Your problem isn't with the same person dodging multiple times, its with a lot of people dodging for the first/second time. Penalizing people who "over-dodge" won't really help you.

2.You're ignoring the rather MASSIVE time ban people face for dodging frequently. 60 minutes on your 3rd dodge is rather massive, to the point that most people would rather play troll the game and force a surrender@20.

3.Massive dodge penalties encourage negative behavior in order to force someone else to 'pay' for the first person's desire to dodge. Given the amount of pain dodging presents versus the amount experienced from a troll or afk that forces a 20 minute surrender, I'd rather the person dodged.

4.LP penalties are actually a very weak form of punishment. Since your LP gains are increased when your LP lags behind your hidden MMR, the penalties vanish over time, and really only affect players who are either close to or in an important promo series.

Renegen4/30/2014, 11:15:48 PM2 votes

yeah dodging is too common right now

Kaine4/30/2014, 8:29:40 PM2 votes

Sounds like you are being "punished" for wanting someone else to take the lp hit.

UNST3RBLICH5/2/2014, 2:52:23 AM1 votes

Shouldn't be a problem if they ever work out a way for Teambuilder to support bans, which as I understand they are looking into so that it will be available for Ranked.

Rubitonabuilding5/9/2014, 3:24:25 PM1 votes

I posted this in another thread, but it seemed appropriate here too.

I main Ziggs. I do very well with him, and win most of the games I play Ziggs in. Following the advice many people have given, I try to stick with one or two champs, and at first it seemed to be working. But I played a game (as Ziggs mid) just today where I demolished my lane opponent, made some good ganks on both top and bottom lanes, and was 28/13/7 by the end of the game. And we still lost, because my team couldn't or wouldn't work together.

The frustration this brings on is enormous. I have no illusion that I'm the best player in the league, and I doubt I'll ever even make it to gold. But it really pisses me off when I do so well in a game and my team is either fighting so much that they can't focus, or they simply lack the teamwork and coordination it takes to win a game (worse yet is when someone decides to intentionally throw a game or leave because you didn't do something their way).

I don't doubt that there are a lot of players with great potential in bronze who simply can't make it out because they consistently get matched with trolls, feeders, and toxic players. And if you get matched with a known troll or rager, you LOSE LP for dodging! It's a lose-lose situation: either you dodge and lose LP to avoid losing from a troll, or you play through the game and lose a minimum of 20 minutes of your life and LP because there's a troll.

The only time I ever intentionally dodge a game is if I'm matched with someone who I know (from previous experience, not just on my own initial impression of someone) is going to either throw, troll, or rage so hard that the game would either be a loss or absolutely zero fun.

And I've said it before, but I truly think that adding someone to your ignore list should remove them from your pool of possible teammates. It's bad enough if you hit 'play again' after a match and get stuck with the same troll who just ruined your game, but nothing is worse than ignoring a rager or troll in one game and taking a break for an hour or two, only to come back and be matched with the exact same person again.

The MechE4/30/2014, 8:45:01 PM1 votes

Wow, good idea. Up voted

Kawdie5/1/2014, 4:43:21 AM1 votes

It's SoloQ. The queue timed bans are punishment enough already (probably less so for those with smurfs). But you can't expect that everyone should have your mentality. Personally I prefer not to dodge, but I like the option is there and not an overwhelming punishment when I get that 1 in 100 derpmaster who wants to play poppy support with teleport or something.

Chaotic1345/1/2014, 7:32:22 AM1 votes

I don't dodge very often in solo queue but there have been times when:

I just can't see the comp working.
My internet DCs me in champ select.
My team is fighting with themselves before the game even starts (usually if this happens I just know we're going to lose because no one will cooperate)
or I just flat out don't pick a champ because I panic (idk if that happens to anyone else).

The times I have dodged or DCd before a game starts I've only lost 3 or 4 LP but when I lose a game I lose a solid 18. Dodging is better if done in moderation and when you're absolutely positive that the team you have isn't the team you want.