Have ADCs lost their importance?

Lavaniel·1/25/2014, 11:18:54 PM·1 votes·1,162 views

I've recently (literally, a few days ago) finally bought my 16th champion and jumped right into Ranked.

So, as a typical player, I don't tend to be overly toxic and try to be as game-friendly possible.

I started playing League with my boyfriend a few months ago, back in June as I recall. Since then, I've come to favor the role of AD Carry, and specifically, Ashe. Over these months I've grown into a flexible player who has adjusted to a build of Ashe that is, in most sense, over-powered--with double BF swords early game before any build. And by the end of the game, I have Infinity's Edge, Bloodthirster, and Blade of the Ruined King. I loved Ashe--all I wanted was to play ADC.

But now, I dread playing ADC. I've come to the conclusion that all these toxic supports, bad junglers, and overall poor gameplay of the ADC (I own Sivir and Caitlyn, and really don't like either of them) has turned me away to play other roles. I've played Jinx, and her skill set sets her a little higher than the rest of your typical ADC.

Since the ADC is typically so squishy, I figured they must be able to do so much damage. But anymore I find it to the Mid lane or other melee champions for so much damage, even though Ashe can be a valuable asset to her team for her slows, she isn't much of a carry.

Since the buff of the supports, the old ADCs have so much to live up to. When Sona can out-damage Ashe, I find something wrong. I was in a game where I was Ashe with Leona against a Sona owning the Pentakill skin and Caitlyn as her ADC. The Sona built the gold income items and built the rest AP items. At the end of that game, she done more damage to me than her ADC.

It isn't rare to see a team have no ADC and still easily win a game against a team that does. In a ranked game that I lost yesterday, Alistar and Thresh were Bot Lane. We had Caitlyn and Leona. I was Katarina against Cho'Gath. My team lost so bad, it was pitiful. I feel like the ADC isn't cutting out for Season 4. It's lost its importance in the game, because honestly, you rarely find any ADC that goes Legendary unless your team is just so countered it's terrible.

I even got into a game where Volibear was our ADC, and actually did pretty good.

Even as Ashe, I have to get a support like Thresh or Blitzcrank who have to aid me in the getting the kill before I do any good.

I am concerned to see if the community feels as if the role of ADC isn't really a "carry" anymore or if a buff is needed since the supports got buffed. Please tell me how you feel, I'm so curious to see how League of Legends players feel. I know Ashe isn't one of those "High Damage" champions but even as other champions who are ADC, I feel as if I have to have a Gold League + support to even have a chance. Tell me your opinions! Thank you!

19 Comments

The Aviatrix1/26/2014, 12:28:22 AM4 votes

Based on the champion match ups you're going against, it sounds like your playing at a lower skill level. By this there are a few things that may make ADC less than effective. I feel like ADC - unless ahead - is very reliant on your team. The thing I hate most when playing ADC is a team that doesn't play cohesively. It leaves you exposed if you're not grouping together - and an ADC gets melted if left alone.

One reason an ADC is important is for seiging towers. You have a large amount of damage with each auto attack and it's ranged. This let's you chunk down the turret in relative safety. However, if your team is spread out all over the place you can't really siege down a turret because you're just a free kill.

If you want to play ADC I'd suggest finding a good support who will support you in lane and later. Your support will "carry" you until you can carry. Either by setting up kills for you or zoning out your enemy so you can free farm. They'll also be able to help peel for you later in the game so you're not just immediately dead. The synergy required bottom lane can be both frustrating and rewarding - depending upon your partner.

Also keep in mind - if you are a good ADC and you find a support main, they'll be happy to have a good ADC with them. Last season half my games were just minimizing the damage bot lane because ADC was often last pick and not very experienced at the role.

LxLegend1/26/2014, 1:46:16 AM2 votes

A couple of things happened to put ADC in its current state compared to season 3.

First off defensive masteries are really strong at the moment giving increased percentage bonus resistance % percentage bonus hp and reducing aoe skill and crit damage.

The other thing that happened was that near the end of season 3 there were a number of items that got buffed with more Hp or damage. Primarily Trinity Force and Spirit Visage; couple this with the nerfs that hit Blade of the Ruined king and we have an effectively less deadly adc with the same build they had 6 months ago.

That being said ADCs aren't bad but the level play needed to be as effective as in season 3 feels much higher.

Lavaniel1/26/2014, 2:07:13 AM1 votes

I definitely agree with everything here...its so rare though to find such a compatible support though.

hunnyflash1/26/2014, 4:58:07 AM1 votes

ADCs are still integral to the game. The game has just now transitioned into an actual -team- game.

The supports have more gold, they're now more useful instead of just having to provide utility and rely on everyone else.

Junglers have risen tremendously in importance because of the gold changes, going from more of a support type role, to one who can carry the game on their own.

ADCs haven't lost their importance, but I do think that they're not relied on as much as they used to be to just be "the carry", and tbh, that's a ridiculously good thing.

But you can still hyper carry with an adc. You can still out damage plenty of others and take advantage of dps over burst. Even in high ELO games, you can see plenty of instances where the game is won or lost because of bot lane.

Marthian1/26/2014, 6:58:24 AM1 votes

ADCs have really fallen out of place lately.
The biggest offenders:
Tanky Bruisers that do a lot of damage with minimal offensive investment. Particularly: Renekton Shyvana Jax Nasus JarvanIV Vi
Assassins and mages that 100-0 you with barely any time to retaliate. Particularly: Zed Akali Annie Diana TwistedFate Khazix Katarina Leblanc Kassadin Fizz Yasuo

And the biggest slap to them (and most mages) is Yasuo, who's W will generally requires an ADC to get in close to do anything (only to be wrecked by the aforementioned champs.) or sit back and wait for it to wear off (3.75 seconds is a long time for one ability to potentially allow for no damage.) Then there's his high-damage output and possible hard CC to make things worse.

Vaenilskil1/26/2014, 6:57:18 AM1 votes

Adc believe me have not lost their roles in Ranked, Adc are still an Important factor in Ranked, However the community is being flooded with more and more Assassin Type champions, the Assassins role is to essentially finish off kills, A lot of Assassins are Ap Based, Kassadin, Akali, Ahri, etc, then you have Ad Bruiser Assassins, Zed, Yasou, etc.

I would Rank in order of Importance with S4, Assassin, Tanks/Bruisers/ Jungler / Support / Adc. I main Adc, That took a lot to say :). The problem with Adc players is, positioning you mentioned in your post that the opponents team Sona did more damage then their Adc, I'm sure the Adc wasn't exchanging as your teams adc Last hit Creeps, and Sona did go Off Ap which is due to the S4 Patch for support, and recent LCS games etc with Annie, Fiddlesticks.

However in defense of Adc, Junglers this whole season seem to Neglect Bot lanes, and focus ganks on top and mid making them more fed, making the Adc absolutely pointless. I'm just going to speculate that Junglers find it easy to gank mid and top then bot, suppose higher risk bot. Adc also have to pretty much farm full-time, leaving more room for Sona to do damage to champs. So take that into account. And if they aren't farming there either at Base or in a Team fight or at least better be. Adc have the highest DPS (Damage Per Second) in game then anyone else, though they may not have the most kills always carry doesn't mean having the most kills. Carry champs can quickly burst down champs while another Assassin finish them off which is the role of an Assassin.

I say again number of Kills has nothing to do With Carry potential. I've gone 4/0/23 and carried the game Ranked remind you. While my Akali died diving a 1 v 5 killing only a Soraka support, and me finishing the rest with my Leona support for the win, those were the only kills I got, but I ended up carrying at the end, took 3 turrets and inhib, because of the DPS from my Varus.

Don't give up on the role, unless you really believe in your ideology, then sure. Sivir and Caitlyn Champions are appeal to certain groups for certain plays. Your best bet to find your Ashe more useful is, master your Q when to toggle when to not, exchange damage as their adc or support takes Creeps, or positions wrong, I'm sure your boyfriend knows all this lol, consult him or additional strategy sites, Mobefire.com solo mid.net lolnexus.com lolking.com all good sources hope that sheds some light.

All roles are needed for a successful win, and the adc might not always be Ranged, it could even be a Volibear but if you ever goto ranked it will definatly show you the importance of ADC, and Meta Support.

******If I missed anything guys feel free to add. Best of Luck prettyprincess37

SonsofaBastages1/26/2014, 2:41:38 PM1 votes

just remember that Ranged carries are DPS - Damage Per Second. So while a bruiser is tougher and can out damage you until late game, and a mage or assassin will blow you up in a second, a ranged carry will always be able to put down damage from a "safe" distance.

So three things to keep in mind while ADCing: 1. You need a bodyguard. Early on that's the support but a bruiser or tank later on who can help protect you at all times is a must unless you are insanely fed. Basically, don't go wander off. 2. You're ranged and you need to keep your distance or you will die horribly. So kite, kite, and kite (shoot, move, shoot, move - ashe's slow makes her great for this) As long as they can't touch you you win. Dashes are a pain, but that'w what the bodyguard is for. Disengage if continuing to attack one opponent puts you too close to another. Constantly monitor the distance between enemies and you. 3. Finally, practice last hitting. Some champs like mages scale well with level, ADCs scale with gold more than anything else. If you're an ADC YOU NEED ITEMS! So practice farming up. That's why the support isn't supposed to last hit, you, the ADC, need to kill and get the gold from every single minion in every wave that you can. (you probably won't but that's the goal)

Stay alive. Do damage. Get paid. GLHF

Frightning1/27/2014, 2:42:40 AM1 votes

It probably doesn't help that Ashe in her current state is tricky to play effectively, and generally requires the right kind of teamcomp. She has no gap wideners, so any champion with a dash is a serious threat to her, which is at least half of the current champion pool in the game (things weren't always this way, Ashe is definitely a victim of mobility creep). This means in order for her to be effective, you need a teamcomp that can effectively play the 'protect the carry' strategy. Champions such as Alistar, Morgana, Orianna, and Zilean are good at doing this.

Viranath1/26/2014, 12:00:25 AM1 votes

NO, ADC still has a very important role in games. They still do a lot of damage. In season 4 supports can get more gold which makes them more effective. ADC's are only has good has their support. Ashe is still a strong ADC, its just other ADC's with burst potential have taken her place.

Luner Hunter2/16/2014, 5:57:06 PM1 votes

what i hear here is (and i am a Support Main) the typical ADC mentality " IIIIIIII AM SO IMPORTANT! I MUST BE THE HIGHEST DAMAGING PLAYER AND MUST BE PEELED FOR! MY SUPPORT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A WARD PLACING BITCH! WHY AM I DIEING TO STUPID SHIT?" and thats why your losing right there... the support is ment to CARRY the ADC till they can carry the team! that means you LISTEN to the SUPPORT and you ENGAGE WHEN THE SUPPORT does till you can carry the team. Sadly most ADC's dont get the fact that they are only honestly a minor part of a much greater system that hast to work properly to win! >.> sure you are the ADC but if you dont have a support the enemy team is goning to fuck you all day and night long bot lane with 2v1s and 3v1s... its actually easier to solo botlane as a Leona or a Volibear or some other tanky "support" than it is to solo bot as an ADC if anything a tanky support is either as important or more important late game than the ADC due to the fact that a tanky support will be obviously TANKING and using their CC which makes or breaks fights. sure i may die as a tanky support mid way or at the end of a team fight but the majority of the other team is dead or about to die and my team just finishes cleaning up :| sure you do alot of dmg quickly but you also die quick as shit >.>

bzhen09151/26/2014, 1:12:37 AM1 votes

ADCs this season are definitely in a more challenging spot this season

Right now there is a rise of tanks due to improvements in the defense mastery section. Supports are also doing more damage because they are actually getting more gold. So I agree that ADCs are a somewhat of a hard role in season 4.