I was downvoted into oblivion on Gameplay for saying AP isn't weak

HateDaddy·8/18/2017, 7:13:59 AM·11 votes·936 views

So I am posting here where people are reasonable.

"AP isn't viable unless I can zero counterplay oneshot squishies...while also bringing some of the best utility in the game, not to mention the safest and most consistent ranged wave clear in the game."

Let's be real, this is exactly what mage players want. Several AP champions, both assassins and mages are consistently played competitively, such as . This represents roughly the same number of ADCs, tanks and bruisers that get played, many of whom can also go mid/top. Mages aren't being ousted, they're actually balanced for once.

Stop the damn tears. AP is fine. Yes is busted right now. It's arguable that many support items could be a bit too good but mages still get played regardless because unlike ADCs and even bruisers, they serve several purposes from ranged safe weaveclear to utility. Just because you can't one-shot everything doesn't mean they suck, you're just a biased whiner who wants the game to come easier to you because you suck.

Also a very good post was made in response:

> {quoted} > > I have concluded that every time balance isn't horrible the boards just reverts back to raging about yasuo and mages being UP.

34 Comments

Lauchmelder8/18/2017, 7:19:17 AM9 votes

Let's actually be real. An AP carry should be able to carry the lategame with damage as much as an AD carry can.

This is not the case and more often than not your AP 'carry' is just the excuse for the enemy team to build MR instead of stacking armor as well as becoming a second support with waveclear.

thighbot8/18/2017, 8:43:28 AM4 votes

ap is weak though

unless youre a "utility" mage, syndra, or have 1500 range

ItsABadBromance8/18/2017, 7:18:32 AM3 votes

Who the fuck started that concept that ability power was weak.

GreatWhiteNorth8/18/2017, 10:31:39 AM2 votes

Either they allow ap to be used to damage buildings and super minions using their autoattacks, or it SHOULD be THE STAT of killing CHAMPIONS.

Destaice8/18/2017, 8:39:20 AM1 votes

I mean the basic chart is

Mage bursts marksman

Marksman out sustains tank

Tank survives Mage burst

But Riot hasnt given a shit about this balance chart in a long time

Theorchero8/18/2017, 11:10:23 AM1 votes

Except that ad based waveclear is way more effective because it's not reliant on mana and doesn't get completely fucked by baron buff.

SupaDevilJuice8/18/2017, 1:41:32 PM1 votes

Is that why we see mages in every game? Usually 2 of them on each team.

2nd Chance8/18/2017, 7:15:56 AM1 votes

Muh blue buff not giving me more AP which it never should have and rylai's being ridiculously OP wahhh!1!!

Engelin8/18/2017, 6:22:58 PM1 votes

ban all mage players

fuck mages

CLG ear8/18/2017, 7:24:32 AM1 votes

you are like a person who goes to a restaurant they know the food will cause them food poisoning (vomiting, diarrhea, suffering, etc)

yet you constantly go there

do yourself and everyone else a favor and stop

Salson8/18/2017, 7:39:14 AM1 votes

Say what you want, jungle and bot have more influence on game outcome than top and mid.

You have a better solution for this bullshit meta, post it.