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Can we at least make ARURF actually random

the weeaboo·8/14/2017, 5:49:38 PM·61 votes·4,621 views

I have been keeping track this time around because last time it seemed like I got the same champs over and over.

Here are my results (as the initial champ, not post re-roll or trade):

http://imgur.com/xBreM01

I have only gotten 10 unique champs as my intial champ over the course of 30+ games. Also I don't have evidence to back this up but there seems to be a heavy bias towards free champs and seemingly "OP" champs.

I have seen far more than any others. I've yet to see a or .

Another issue I have is that random... really isnt fun at all. It's basically whoever gets the OP champs wins, plain and simple. Sometimes you may get lucky and roll a counter to one of them but more often than not it's whoever gets and on the same team wins.

At least when it was pick what you want, it was OP vs. OP and you got to play what you want and have fun with it. Now it's Lucky vs. Unlucky and you have a mediocre amount of fun with a champ you don't really like playing.

47 Comments

TwitchInMyPants8/14/2017, 5:50:50 PM54 votes

You know those ARAM accounts where you just have the minimum number of champions allowed and you're likely to spin what you want?

Those people are playing ARURF.

Social Justice 18/14/2017, 7:34:13 PM19 votes

Do you want Random, or evenly distributed?

Eleana8/14/2017, 7:02:02 PM12 votes

Your results are from a sample size of 1 player. Majority of people playing URF do not own every single champion, and so it would make sense that you'd see either champions that cost less or champions that are more popular.

Cowseed8/14/2017, 9:16:24 PM6 votes

I noticed something like this a bit too. My champion pool isn't too small but for some reason I keep getting Xin, heim and their is always a god damn karthus every 2-3 games. I've yet to see a ryze or lulu and I've only seen diana, darius and akali maybe at most 3 times. Despite the fact I OWN these people :/

It is especially annoying whenever I get xin and I get him a fuckton. Because when I do get him the enemy team might has well afk because once he's level 3 you're gonna die without much say in the matter.

Aeszarck8/15/2017, 3:14:37 AM4 votes

The reason why ARURF will never truly be random is because many people don't own every Champion. Even if you yourself own every Champion, your allies' Champion pools will affect what you get, since there cannot be duplicate Champions on a team. If an ally has a small Champion pool you are less likely to get Champions in their pool. The only time ARURF would be completely random in Champion Select would be if everyone had every Champion. Not everyone does have every Champion though, and some Champions are more popular to own than others. You're probably less likely to get Ahri and more likely to see Ahri in games because she is a popular Champion to own. You are very likely to see a free week Champion because everyone owns those Champions. Secondly, people reroll Champions they don't want. This is why you will be less likely to see unpopular or weak Champions.

2nd Chance8/14/2017, 9:24:44 PM4 votes

ARAM accounts man

They're the scum of non-randomness

The Soulforged8/15/2017, 3:09:05 AM3 votes

I've played around 20 or so games of ARURF and owning all champions, rerolling once in a while, I've gotten Soraka thrice. As I've said before this thing is completely rigged. It's not just ARAM accounts polluting the data.

I Love Thresh8/15/2017, 4:29:15 AM2 votes

I own all the champs, and definitely saw some bias in who I got. Tahm a lot.

Sraeg20138/14/2017, 11:54:10 PM2 votes

So far I've had Karthus in literally every match.

One was fucking Karthus, Ziggs, Ezreal, Corki and Jhin against our full melee team. You can imagine how that went.

BobaFlautist8/15/2017, 2:25:20 AM2 votes

The other interesting thing about aram accounts is that they'll homigenize the erolls of everyone - I don't know how Riot's random champ selection handles duplicate rolls, but ai can't imagine it properly accounts for aram accounts, which means any champs popular in aram (or arurf, I wouldn't put it past people to create and level accounts all year just to prepare them for urf) are champions that normal accounts are unlikely to get.

Think of it this way: if all five accounts have Hecarim, Sona, Lux, and Morgana (just random picks) but only one account has Udyr, that one account is going to be much less likely to get Sona, Lux, Hecarim, or Morgana than to get Udyr, unless Riot took thorough measures specifically targeting Aram/Urf accounts in the rolling.

This could explain how Aram/Urf accounts could skew the pick frequency to less "op" picks on normal accounts...just a thought.

hotarse8/15/2017, 3:43:56 AM2 votes

You're right that it isn't random. For some reason, free champs are way more likely to get picked. Yet the only way to fix this is to actually make the game mode ALL random... and for some reason, despite continued pressure from the players to make ALL champs available to everyone for that game mode, money grubbing Riot Game won't because then why the hell would anyone spend money to buy a champ? Who the hell uses real money to buy a champ for ARAM mode!? Are they really going to lose that much money? Is it worth the tradeoff of having an actual ALL random mode? Idiots.

Shadòw8/15/2017, 8:00:29 PM1 votes

Cause you get rerolls like shit, and ofc you reroll when you have a bad chanp and dont when you have a good one

TimX24968B8/14/2017, 8:44:41 PM1 votes

wish I had Olaf so many games so far.

Νichirin8/15/2017, 4:41:51 AM1 votes

Trust me, you don't want to play against a Vi and Fiora before the recent nerfs could actually win the game 1v5 in urf, don't know now.

BoilTheOil8/15/2017, 5:12:23 AM1 votes

I've played over 100 arurf games but I am yet to see Sona Ryze not even in champion select

RavensCapsOs8/15/2017, 5:30:25 AM1 votes

Wow that sucks haha. Check my match history: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/45004164/RavensCapsOs#/profile

I only get OP champs

Leetri8/15/2017, 5:31:35 AM1 votes

Random doesn't mean evenly distributed. You could play a million games and get Anivia every single one, yet it would still be completely random. It's all about sample size, in such a minuscule sample size such as yours it's easy to perceive a pattern where there is none. Play a million games and you'll see there's no pattern, it's as random as it gets. People thought Apple's playlist feature wasn't random enough, so Apple had to make the playlist LESS random so people would think it was more random.

Destaice8/15/2017, 5:32:07 AM1 votes

Random is random

GigaPube8/15/2017, 8:13:07 AM1 votes

awkward moment when OP happens to not have proof then plays 13 games on the account hes posted on and he gets nasus and xin twice and then unique champions every other time. anivia 8 out of 30 times lmao, who do you think you're kidding. dont get excited about the upvotes btw, if you had only twice as more you'd have been called out long before i saw this as a top post

The Loveless8/15/2017, 12:46:15 PM1 votes

Played 10 games to completion last night. Got LB about 4-5 times even though two of those times someone dodged.

Inting Pillow8/15/2017, 1:59:10 PM1 votes

Champ I've gotten at least 3 times (pre-reroll) (pre-dodge) (pre-trade) Warwick 11 games Udyr 7 games TahmKench 6 games Chogath 6 games Kindred 4 games Taliyah 4 games Quinn 4 games Azir 3 games Khazix 3 games Maokai 3 games Camille 3 games Fiora 3 games Alistar 3 games (all three in one day and one queue was right after the other)

No way that's random. I am 100% certain this game is not random. After the 5th Warwick I just gave up. I am burning through rerolls.

Champions I haven't got (but own) Annie Blitzcrank Elise Ezreal Graves Kassadin Kayn Kayle Poppy Ryze Soraka Urgot Teemo Yasuo

Maybe if I didn't get Warwick and Udyr a combined total of 18 times I'd get to play Kayn ONCE. I reroll or trade Udyr every time I get him and I'm not sure if the rerolls can keep up. There are more champions I have yet to play but have got until someone dodged.

Miss Wake n Bake8/15/2017, 2:18:30 PM1 votes

I just keep getting nami...

which isn't terrible but I wanna play as raka ;c

I Am Ravi8/15/2017, 3:21:56 PM1 votes

I've played 35 ARURF games this weekend. I own all the champs.

All my champs played in order of the games played:

Rakan Rammus Orianna Cho lux zyra Lucian Nidalee Ezreal Ezreal Xayah Nasus Gragas Cho Fiora Shaco Trundle Alistar Taric Soraka Jinx Cho Kha Zilean J4 Reksai Fizz Ivern Velkoz Varus Trist Blitz Thresh Gnar Teemo

Played Cho 3 times, and Ezreal twice. Seems random enough for me.[slayer-jinx-catface]

I Love Thresh8/15/2017, 7:33:32 PM1 votes

Surprising lack of Shaco in this thread though, this cancer is everywhere.

Faustavian8/14/2017, 8:56:15 PM1 votes

Laugh it off, I keep getting Thresh