"To help recruit women into gaming, we held PAX workshops for women and non-binary people"

ChickenWrap·9/6/2018, 1:16:49 AM·56 votes·9,664 views

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Okay yeah that's fine. People aren't upset about that. You do you! Good job, Riot!

People are upset about the fact that out of every single one of those days you didn't allocate a single fucking one of them to being

#G E N D E R I N C L U S I V E ? ? ?

People wanted to come to PAX and go to your panel to learn about shit they're interested in and you gave them a giant middle finger every single day and didn't let men learn and hear about the shit they're interested in as well simply because you seem to think that exclusivity for the entirety of PAX equates to progress when it clearly does not.

That's the biggest problem with PAX. Also, reprimand DZK accordingly. Maybe make another public statement about how you fucked things up across the board?

20 Comments

Jamaree9/6/2018, 1:26:17 AM17 votes

You just a sea lion, shut up you wrap :^]

Am I doing it right?

Malza9/6/2018, 1:33:15 AM8 votes

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us manbabies, mysoginistic, sea lions is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

SupaDevilJuice9/6/2018, 1:33:07 AM4 votes

And no one was told until they had already paid.

Karn Bishop9/6/2018, 6:25:23 AM3 votes
T I L T B O I 29/6/2018, 1:30:40 AM1 votes

can't wait until you guys forget about pax, the boards spam is seemingly endless and moderation is nowhere to be found

Répôrt My ADC9/6/2018, 5:02:11 PM1 votes

I love chicken wraps [sg-poppy]

BlueSmurf20189/6/2018, 10:56:03 PM1 votes

make another public statement about how you fucked things up across the board?

lol.. get it? across the BOARD

IainG109/6/2018, 11:31:51 PM1 votes

It is getting somewhat annoying how most of the posts on the Boards are about DZK rather than PAX. Don't get me wrong, what DZK and some others like him have been doing is not ok in any way, shape or form, and they should be held accountable. But, as Automated Riven and others have said in other places, the big issue here is PAX.

By all means, promote minorities in gaming, but don't do it simply by finding a table from 60 years ago and flipping it. 60 years ago people would say that women don't belong in science or engineering or finance or law, and thankfully we've matured enough today to see that that stance is wrong. So why is it acceptable to exclude men now instead?

Seriously, the number of times I've had to mention stuff like Noughts and Crosses, or the period of time and geography that saw Rhodesia become Zimbabwe is getting truly scary; it's like people can't understand the greater lesson of history, that advancing one group by disadvantaging another, irrespective of who either group is, is backwards, unsustainable and just plain wrong.

How hard would it have been for Riot to have their talks on things that apply to everyone, like story and art and production, include everyone, and do little stall-like things around the room in the AMA time; one along the lines of 'How to get a job at Riot: for women, by women' and another like 'How to deal with workplace insensitivity; people may not know they're being assholes' and anything else that doesn't cater to the masses, where if it applies to you and you're interested you just pop along and talk, in a less crowded, less formal setting. We do it in hard science all the time: if you go to a conference, there are free to attend seminars that anyone interested, irrespective of background, can attend (e.g. I'm a genetic engineer, but I can still attend biophysics seminars if I want, or immunology, or oncology, or developmental biology, or inorganic metallochemistry or astronomy if I really feel like it); between these sessions everyone wanders around posters brought by assorted researchers and just observes and asks questions. Not once have I seen "you're a chemist, you don't belong at this physics talk" or anything like that.

The fact of the matter is that there were plenty of ways Riot could have handled both PAX itself and the fallout from it better, and whilst everyone is hung up on DZK and Froskurinn and that leaked Slack, actions speak far louder than words, and Riots actions are badly misguided at best, and dangerously backwards at worst.

Also, if you have an individual who spends more time with bacteria than people, and has medication to deal with crowds of more than three, coming up with a better way to run a panel in 5 minutes than however long it took the people who are paid for that shit to fail badly, you have some serious issues as a company....

Colonel J9/6/2018, 11:44:06 PM1 votes

Haven't your exact points been said and done to death already?