THIS HONOR SYSTEM IS TOO HARSH

Take a look at this chat i had with riot.It will explain everything.

Chat started: 2018-09-21 02:30 AM UTC

(02:30:40 AM) Boojamba: The end of season 8 is near and im honor level 0 after a few unlucky match made games where apparently i was toxic.My question is do i still have time to get back to honor two and recieve my rewards or am i screwed.i'm planning on climbing to diamond but if its impossible im not even gonna play.i'll just quit for the rest of the season.tell me straight up and honestly.don't try to lie to me or give me bs.give it to me straight,do i still have a good chance of hitting honor 2 and is there anything you guys can do to give me a second chance. (02:32:12 AM) Player Support Bot: Hey! We’re getting a ton of new chats right now. It may take upwards of 15 minutes to get to your chat, but if you sit tight we’ll help you out as soon as we can. If you’re not about that waiting in line lifestyle, you can always submit a ticket instead! (02:36:43 AM) *** Orphi joined the chat *** (02:36:49 AM) Orphi: Hey there! (02:36:54 AM) Boojamba: hey (02:38:27 AM) Orphi: Hmm so good question, though I have some not-so-encouraging news...I think to go from honor 0 to 2 from this point may not be possible unless you are at level 0 checkpoint 3, and even then you would need to play league a lot, and are keeping your chat super duper good and clean! >_<" (02:38:48 AM) Boojamba: yeah thats what i thought (02:38:54 AM) Boojamba: i have a few more questions (02:39:13 AM) Orphi: sure! (02:39:14 AM) Boojamba: when they say that i wont get my season rewards does that include border and icon (02:39:22 AM) Boojamba: i couldnt careless about the skin (02:39:47 AM) Orphi: yep, it does include the icon and border. (02:40:12 AM) Boojamba: if they dont give me my rewards does that mean my previous border will be removed? (02:43:26 AM) Boojamba: hello? (02:44:07 AM) Orphi: Oop, sorry about that. Your previous border will disappear yes, borders only last for a season, so when season 8 ends, the border you earned from the rank you got in season 7 goes away. (02:44:19 AM) Boojamba: and last question (02:44:35 AM) Boojamba: the amount of players stuck in honor 0 is huge right now (02:44:46 AM) Boojamba: is riot afraid that most people might quit the game (02:45:05 AM) Boojamba: because they did not tell everyone until half the season in (02:45:45 AM) Boojamba: correction they did say at the beginning of the seaosn but they did not announce it they just put it in a patch and assumed people would read it and even then its insanely hard to find (02:47:00 AM) Boojamba: you don't have to answer it.i was just curious.its just that alot of my high elo friends ahve already stopped playing and more and more people i know stopped playing i just wanted to know what riot would do (02:47:14 AM) Orphi: Well we actually did say at the start of the season(way back in January) that your honor will be tied to your eligibility for rank rewards this season! But I agree it isn't the most easy thing to find. We did make another announcement in August about it too. (02:47:54 AM) Orphi: I don't think their decision about honor being a requirement will change by the time this season ends I'm afraid but if the team feels honor was too harsh this year it is possible they may make adjustments! (02:48:24 AM) Boojamba: but is it fair to people who were already penalized for what they did innocent or not innocent have only 2-3 months to get back to honor 2 (02:48:38 AM) Boojamba: seeing that you said even 2 months wont help me get back to honor 2 (02:49:26 AM) Boojamba: indeed an announcement was made in august but theres less than 1/4th of the season left (02:50:25 AM) Boojamba: i wanna try to convince you that im trying to change.i want to tell you to help me even if it doesnt work i wanna say something (02:50:46 AM) Boojamba: ive had an account banned before and i spent about 1000$ on it (02:51:01 AM) Boojamba: i knew i was wrong and i created this account to try and change (02:51:26 AM) Boojamba: ive rly think ive improved in attitude over the past year or so (02:52:01 AM) Orphi: I'm not trying to say you're a bad person at all, you don't need to convince me! But I wouldn't be able to change the rules or bump your honor up to 2 myself. :( You'd have to do it on your own. I agree that there is a harsh precedent set with honor and losing a lot of honor progress for 1 penalty is rough though. (02:52:02 AM) Boojamba: i honesty never flame anyone if its my fault but when i get people who duo que and just int like hell and blame others they have to be told and even then i never say anything insanely toxic (02:52:43 AM) Boojamba: would it be possible to appeal a pen? (02:53:52 AM) Boojamba: to check the logs again.because for my last penalty if i deserved a chat ban for calling him out for running it down he also deserves a penalty for doing what he did (02:54:34 AM) Boojamba: the reaosn why im so hung up on this is because it was bogus (02:54:57 AM) Boojamba: literally the only thing i said AFTER he insulted me was "youre an idiot" (02:55:06 AM) Boojamba: that was it (02:55:13 AM) Boojamba: out of 20-30 games i said one word (02:55:17 AM) Boojamba: ur gonna penalize me for that (02:56:10 AM) Orphi: Even if another person is inting or trolling on purpose, they're already aware of what they're doing. Calling them out doesn't stop them, but reporting them after the game is what allows the system to look into the gameplay and take action. It doesn't help to argue or point fingers. It doesn't matter who started it or who was worse, the system will flag anyone misusing chat or misbehaving with their gameplay. :( It's better to not give them any of your attention since you are there to play the game! Not argue in game about whether someone deserves a ban or not. (02:56:59 AM) Boojamba: it was a duo silver 5 and what they did was threaten me for reseting his lane and afking (02:57:07 AM) Boojamba: do i rly deserve to be punished for that (02:57:16 AM) Boojamba: they afked (02:57:21 AM) Boojamba: they fed the enemy jg on purpose (02:57:24 AM) Boojamba: and they flamed me (02:57:37 AM) Boojamba: all i did was say that he was inting called him an idiot (02:57:58 AM) Boojamba: they even told the enemy team to report me for resetting his lane which in itself is bannable (02:58:10 AM) Boojamba: i have done nothing wrong (02:58:11 AM) Boojamba: at all (02:58:28 AM) Boojamba: the reason why these players do what they do is because riot enables them (02:58:41 AM) Boojamba: allow them to keep trolling because riot protects those players (02:58:51 AM) Boojamba: all these "investigations" are done by a bot (02:59:05 AM) Boojamba: they can go 0/30 and i say one word and the bot would think im at fault (03:00:12 AM) Boojamba: im assuming you play league (03:00:20 AM) Boojamba: probably from gold -daimond right? (03:00:26 AM) Boojamba: you get those players in ur game too (03:00:31 AM) Boojamba: what can u do but sit there and take it (03:00:38 AM) Boojamba: and waste30-40 minutes just to lose anyways (03:01:06 AM) Boojamba: if we arent even allowed to say one sentence without fearing a penalization why evfen have a chat (03:01:10 AM) Boojamba: why even play honestly (03:01:45 AM) Orphi: Again it isn't based on who started it or who was worse, all players are looked into equally. Arguing back and forth with them like this is a misuse of chat. I get it is frustrating, but I'm only here to talk to you about your account, not anyone elses. It isn't a conspiracy or anything against you but you have to focus on what you can do. If you have a run in with a player(or premade) who are being jerks, they're not worth your time. You don't have to 'take it' if you just mute them and move on with the game. You CAN use chat, just as long as it is positive or helping your team you will be fine. (03:02:26 AM) Boojamba: is there anyway you can pull up my recent logs (03:02:34 AM) Orphi: Sure. (03:02:37 AM) Boojamba: if u just read what i read (03:02:39 AM) Orphi: I have them up now (03:02:41 AM) Boojamba: and what i said (03:02:50 AM) Boojamba: what did i flame them with (03:02:55 AM) Boojamba: pls tell me (03:03:23 AM) Boojamba: it'd make more sense if u could see their logs aswell (03:04:57 AM) Orphi: Yeah no worries, I do have the full log up, which includes what they said as well. The reason why we only show you your own log and no one else's so to help you focus on your own behavior and how it can be negatively perceived by others. (03:05:26 AM) Boojamba: well i see what i said and i can;t stop thinking about what he sad first and how he acted vs how i acted (03:06:00 AM) Orphi: In game one I can say you weren't really flaming anyone no, but there was arguing and having a defeatist attitude that brings the game down for others. (03:06:11 AM) Boojamba: rofl what (03:06:16 AM) Boojamba: you mean the oddesy one? (03:06:28 AM) Orphi: yes (03:06:44 AM) Boojamba: i didnt say anything but apologize and ignored him (03:06:48 AM) Boojamba: dude was flaming me all game (03:06:51 AM) Boojamba: the ziggs (03:07:01 AM) Boojamba: things didnt go our way so he bashed me and sona over and over (03:07:16 AM) Boojamba: i didnt flame him and i never said we wont win (03:07:49 AM) Boojamba: the rest of em didnt even care actually it was just him (03:09:41 AM) Orphi: Sure, but during the game the logs were argumentative. I'm not sitting here and saying it was just you is all, but we're here to talk about your account. What the Ziggs(or what any player) said does not determine how you respond. If someone is flaming you they make it clear they decided not to use chat properly. You can just mute them and move on since they aren't going to be productive. (03:10:23 AM) Boojamba: can you pls quote some lines where i argued with him.i dont rly remember all of it (03:11:56 AM) Orphi: [11:52] Yasuo: ur inting [12:03] Yasuo: stop ping spamming [12:07] Yasuo: reported [12:21] Yasuo: im talkin about u [14:23] Yasuo: god this ziggs is toxic [14:35] Yasuo: FOR WHAT [14:40] Yasuo: WE:RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG [14:58] Yasuo: ur accusing us for some bs [16:31] Yasuo: for what [16:34] Yasuo: u keep saying that [16:50] Yasuo: ur gonna report me for playin the game? [17:04] Yasuo: you were being arrogant in champ selec trying my best [17:05] Yasuo: stop being toxic (03:13:01 AM) Boojamba: sooooo nothing toxic was really said by me and all i did was state the obviously and say reported?more than half of these is just me reposnding to him telling me im reported (03:13:25 AM) Boojamba: so basically responding to toxicity makes me toxic even if its not toxic (03:14:03 AM) Boojamba: he even flamed me in champ select i almost forgot (03:14:58 AM) Boojamba: i mean you even have to admit thats kinda bogus (03:15:17 AM) Orphi: I didn't say anything was toxic that you did, I said the chat was misused to argue with another player, which I can see is what was happening here. No, there is no flame, but arguing with another player does not help the situation and often just fuels the other player to keep going. (03:15:57 AM) Boojamba: you can't rly say thats ban worthy.... (03:16:17 AM) Boojamba: he threatened to report me i have thr right to respond (03:16:40 AM) Boojamba: thats like saying someone sues you for everything you have even though you did nothing to them and you dont get a say in it (03:17:30 AM) Orphi: It is a chat restriction, the lightest penalty we give an account when chat is being misused. You can respond to someone sure, but there are consequences to misusing chat. Again, this does not mean what the other players like the Ziggs said was okay or acceptable either, but the way your account responded wasn't okay either. (03:18:16 AM) Boojamba: chat restriction isnt as light now.it used to be chat restriction=yes rewards now its chatrestriction=no rewards for two months and no end of seaosn rewards (03:18:22 AM) Boojamba: its basically a death sentence (03:19:02 AM) Orphi: I'm not going to pretend the honor drop isn't harsh, but it was a decision made to make honor carry more weight. (03:19:17 AM) Boojamba: if this justifies a chat ban then more than 90% of the community should be honor 0 right now (03:19:26 AM) Boojamba: theres no way (03:19:33 AM) Boojamba: you know this is not right (03:20:32 AM) Orphi: I get this feels surprising but I'm not trying to bs you or anything like that. Chat is not in the game to argue or blame others just as much as it isn't there to call names or accuse players of false things. It is there as a tool to help your team or be a positive force for the game. (03:20:59 AM) Boojamba: league is a team game (03:21:09 AM) Orphi: Even if I were able to lift or reverse this penalty, the system will still behave the same. My goal here is to make sure this is your last penalty and that is by explaining how the system works currently. (03:21:17 AM) Boojamba: obviously if one peros trolls the rest are going to call him out (03:21:30 AM) Orphi: What does calling them out do? (03:21:33 AM) Boojamba: you dont have a team once one person breaks (03:21:48 AM) Orphi: True, it's hard to play a team game if your team isn't working together. (03:22:16 AM) Boojamba: i know theres nothing you can do but i didn;t call him out (03:22:22 AM) Boojamba: he called me out that game (03:22:34 AM) Orphi: But at the same time, it's better not to add to the bad situation by calling out or arguing with someone who has already decided to be a jerk or troll. (03:23:03 AM) Boojamba: if we don't call out these players how would the tribunal ban them through chat logs (03:23:15 AM) Boojamba: we have to call them outand thats the mentality of all leaague players (03:23:26 AM) Boojamba: more than half of these cases are handled by the system (03:23:29 AM) Boojamba: and not real players (03:24:29 AM) Boojamba: what happened tot he dayswhere players could judge their peers (03:24:33 AM) Orphi: You can report them! The system is able to see the chat logs so if you don't respond to them then the system will only action on them. The tribunal was retired back in 2014. There are simply too many games that go on now to have it keep up at that point. I reviewed the game here myself and yes game 1 is more mild but it is still breaking the rules. (03:25:04 AM) Orphi: All I can do here is tell you how the system works currently and what you can avoid in the future so you don't have to go through this situation again. (03:25:10 AM) Boojamba: yes i know the system can see the chat logs but they dont see intentional feeding (03:25:28 AM) Boojamba: what the second log was is int feeding (03:25:34 AM) Boojamba: the first one i can let go (03:26:22 AM) Boojamba: i guarantee you that if you were to check the next logs of this ziggs player he is toxic as hell (03:26:58 AM) Boojamba: whod o you think would be the few people who could reverse this penalty (03:27:14 AM) Orphi: The system does look for intentional feeding, but it takes longer for it to process admittedly. A chat log is only a few kilobytes of data, but a game is larger and the system has to go through various stats and make certain comparisons to make sure it isn't banning a player who is just having a rough game. (03:27:34 AM) Boojamba: i just can't let this go (03:27:58 AM) Boojamba: ive been playing this game since season 2 (03:28:05 AM) Orphi: There isn't anyone else I could forward you to for this penalty to be reversed I'm afraid. I get you don't accept this chat restriction, I can't force you to. But there is only so much I can do or say at the end of the day. :( (03:28:08 AM) Boojamba: i have never been so royally screwed (03:28:34 AM) Boojamba: whos the head of the tribunal (03:28:42 AM) Boojamba: who controls it (03:29:07 AM) Boojamba: there has to be one person who has authority (03:30:52 AM) Orphi: Well Riot Lyte had stepped down from Riot Games and the Tribunal went away with it after we introduced the Instant Feedback System. I wouldn't be able to send you to the head of that system sadly. But if you do feel things should be changed I think it would be worth it to post about it on the Boards or social media sites like Reddit because the devs are often looking in these places for ideas on how to improve the game. (03:32:21 AM) Boojamba: ill probably try to email one of the higher ups in riot hq this chat log but if i can't get itlifted i honestly think its time for me to stop playing (03:32:43 AM) Boojamba: 7 years is long enough (03:32:51 AM) Boojamba: is there any way you can email me this chat (03:33:52 AM) Orphi: No worries, when this chat closes, all of the chat here will turn into a ticket, you will be emailed it to the email associated with this account and there will be a copy on the support website under 'my tickets' ! (03:34:06 AM) Orphi: should happen automatically basically. (03:34:12 AM) Boojamba: alright (03:34:17 AM) Boojamba: thanks for talking with me man (03:34:23 AM) Boojamba: i appreciate it (03:36:04 AM) Orphi: You're very welcome.