I BELIEVE we can improve the entire player base with this

Sora Omo·4/3/2018, 5:06:12 PM·112 votes·4,178 views

Alright I'm now going to start climbing out of Bronze and I'm aware of my problems. My mechanics are good but simple things in league (warding, csing, ganking, etc) I could be better at and I actually prefer playing in Bronze 5 because the players are at rock bottom now so there eyes are more open and the learn much better for example I was playing Galio mid against a Viktor where my Master Yi ganked and was able to burn his flash with him at low HP usually in Bronze the jg will dive trying to finish him and give a kill but the Yi listened to my danger pings and backed off. I told Yi in chat "you don't have to kill, you burned his flash so next time you gank it'll be a kill." he then sat in the bush and waited for me to let him push up (of course I did or I would be wasting Yi's time) The Viktor pushed up and Yi ganked again and we got the kill ( I would usually farm my jg a bit then come back for the regank though) I REALLY liked this because it means a Bronze jg just improved massively by no longer diving turrets to get the kill and end up giving one. I'm not sure if Yi truly did learn this or keep using it but he trusted his team mates (aka me) and was able to improve in that game and become a better player. I hope he took this to heart and did it every game because he could probably climb out of bronze with just that X).

My point to this is that the players are trying to improve and just don't know how. We have a VERY basic tutorial but I want League to have a tutorial going more in depth with each role. I want to see my Bronze 5 community start learning and improving because recently I've actually REALLY enjoyed playing with them. I played a ranked game where it was a 4v5 my team having 4 and EVERYONE on my team didn't start flaming our team only saw one thing ahead and that was victory so we all kept going more and more to win and we almost did. The Bronze 5 players in the world are the ones I believe who can improve the most because when they hit rock bottom they land on there backs because if they can look up they can get up.

For each of the Tutorials I want them to teach the ADC role players how to farm and how important it is + teach them how to stay in the back line and try not to get caught out. The Mid lane role should teach how to roam, when to roam, and how to keep tract of the enemy JG so you don't get ganked. I believe the Sup role should learn to sacrifice them self so others may gain, it should when to ward, where to ward, and how to best help the team. JG role is a very difficult role and it should teach how to farm your jg (what jg routes to take), how to counter jg, how to gank is a big one (say this from all the Bronze 5 JG who walk strait through my lane & start taking cs for no reason), and what to do when you see the enemy jg across the other side of the map. Top lane is a very difficult one that should teach when to make a TP play, how to farm under turret, how to win a losing match up (basically a melee champ vs a ranged one most of the time) and how to split push.

I know a lot of these thing are very dependent based on who you're playing and who you're facing but the tutorial just covers the basics and doesn't account for who you're playing or who you're facing so a similar system for each role should work to. The tutorials shouldn't teach specific match ups but just the basics of the role so people can get better and improve at the game. Players can look online for specific match ups but having them go into game and actually actively learning each role would help a lot.

My conclusion is that Riot should make a active tutorial of each role to help players more in there games. I believe this will help many players improve a climb in game. I really hope Riot reads this and makes it a reality + I left a lot of opportunity with this idea so Riot can use it and make it there own so no one can tell them they just ripped off some player.

47 Comments

webstar19954/3/2018, 5:25:20 PM27 votes

"My conclusion is that Riot should make a active tutorial of each role to help players more in there games. I believe this will help many players improve a climb in game." YES Riot needs to show players how to play since this game has a HUGE learning curve. Micro/Macro gameplay tutorials. Micro: I did not learn to attack move until I watched a YouTube video, and practiced in practice tool. Macro: if you ace the other team do not run dragon. Go get a couple towers and setup for dragon/baron and maybe bait. Or of course one tower and rush baron. There is so much to learn in this game. Without watching YouTube videos, watching pros on Twitch, or coaching players stay in Bronze or Silver because they just do not know how to play correctly to climb. RIOT could have tutorials that have to be completed in order to play ranked. Instead of just level 30 and what? 15 champs? That takes about one month. This is not enough to learn how to play without tutorials, and I also think Bronze 1 MMR is where they should start NOT high silver. Posting this gimme a ^

Sora Omo4/3/2018, 5:09:00 PM11 votes

Remember to Up vote if you believe in this so Riot will acknowledge our beliefs and make it a reality

HalcyonDweller4/3/2018, 5:28:04 PM5 votes

yeah, better training would be awesome. It would be nice to see something that taught teamwork and cooperation too. God knows the player-base sure could use it.

Sora Omo4/3/2018, 5:50:33 PM5 votes

Come on guys this has 43 views and only 3 up votes and comments. If you believe in this game and you know you can get better and you only need is a little push then please comment and tell Riot how much you want to improve please up vote so Riot will help us all.

Snowman Arc4/3/2018, 9:16:22 PM3 votes

I don't know dude. There are endless videos on youtube that people who want to learn can watch and actually learn enough things to climb. At the same time, if someone is dumb enough to spam tower dive and keep dying and not being able to understand why that's wrong, then that's not Riot's fault.

I've said it so many times, this game actually requires you to be smart. Being smart about this game will let you understand a lot of things that can be done in a game that will offer you huge advantages.

For example, not wasting time on pulling off a risky gank and instead farming your jungle (or even better the enemy's), is so much better than straight up waiting for a gank to happen. And that's all about being able to realize the probability of a successful gank vs what you could have got during that time of the gank. Let's say that the enemy has stacked 2 waves and the wave is still frozen in mid, while the enemy laner has 80% HP and my laner has 50%. Pulling off that gank can be risky. We might not get the kill at all, we might even die in the process, depending on the champions. Instead, I could grab some jungle camps and guarantee myself gold and XP, or even deny it from the enemy jungler. That's something basic that everyone can acquire by simply being smart and understanding risk - reward situations.

Sugar Momma4/3/2018, 8:12:58 PM3 votes

Not to be a dick, but this is near-unreadable. There are too many run on sentences.

Karfuss4/4/2018, 3:09:30 AM2 votes

Like the premise, doubt it'll work in practice.

For one, low ELO players aren't going to care for tutorials. If they did, they would actively go out and learn the basics. In your anecdote, I believe you just came across a very reasonable player. A diamond in the rough, so to speak.

Then you also have players like me, who'll learn by throwing themselves in the deep end. Tutorials always came across as patronising and dull, and typically something you can learn within 5-10 minutes of actually playing a game.

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I'm not trying to bronze flame here, but if you truly had good mechanics then you can climb the NA ladder purely based on that. Even if you have OK mechanics you can climb to high silver.

Not true. Micro play doesn't get you far at all. Macro play, on the other hand, is EVERYTHING. Especially in this meta. You might be a mechanically pro Riven god and proceed to dominate the top lane. Means literally nothing if bot lane is going 0/5. If you're not throwing your lead around, you'll lose.

Snowballing, while prevalent, doesn't compare to a role that'll innately outscale you at any stage of the game if given a lead. That's a really Season 2-3-4(ish) mindset to have.

ImaChickIRL4/4/2018, 4:39:36 AM2 votes

no tldr? that is just disrespectful.

CoolKnightST4/4/2018, 11:28:12 AM2 votes

He's right, but the sad part if that the community is against this. Their are plenty of people that posted ideas regarding new tutorials before but they all ignore or even downvote it because it's a lot resource riot has to spend that don't benefit their own.

Just look the current tutorial where you still build item 3075 on Ashe. Their have been plenty of videos where people actually got stuck in the tutorial and probally the worst part when the game crashes all together.

I really don't get why the tutorial still isn't disabled yet or that riot didn't make a single effort on announcing their is a new tutorial in development. And I honnestly don't blame riot with a community that wants to claim that needed content for their own profit. But riot needs to step it up. This is one topic where they really need to show their ass to the majority and just make dam good tutorials with real resources invested into it.

WrÆth4/4/2018, 1:31:40 AM1 votes

My mechanics are good

I'm not trying to bronze flame here, but if you truly had good mechanics then you can climb the NA ladder purely based on that. Even if you have OK mechanics you can climb to high silver.

A big problem with bronze, silver, and even gold in general is that their view on the game is very close minded. They have an idea of the "meta" (if they even are aware that there is one) based on which champions abuse low elo. They think they have good jungle pathing, good csing, good macro, good micro, good teamfighting. I used to think I was hot shit for getting 50 cs per minute.

Then I watched my first competitive game. I clearly remember it to this day. It was C9 vs TSM and all I remember was that bunnyfufu was playing zliean and doublelift was playing lucian.

I had clue what the fuck was going on. All I could think was, why are they warding there, why are they lining up level 1 and walking in a train like that, why is botlane suddenly toplane, why aren't they just fighting midlane, why aren't they picking master yi, why do they have these items.

I've watched hours of coaching VODs and informational videos and streams, and read pages of information on wave management and macro play before I even brushed the surface of what exactly was going through their heads during that game. All in pursuit to get better and eventually solve the sort of puzzle that I witnessed.

I still don't understand a lot of the finer points, like certain wards and pushes and freezes. Like I said, League is just a puzzle and low elo players only see 1 piece of it.

Elisza Kitsune4/4/2018, 2:42:31 AM1 votes

We should also have a section of the boards where high elo players can teach lower elo players or new players on how to improve! I met a returning older player and they really enjoyed the game but just didn't know how to play properly!

Risk of Fate4/3/2018, 6:05:06 PM1 votes

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OfficialAycee4/4/2018, 3:16:56 AM1 votes

I think making the tutorial super basic is helpful to the overall community. Because if everything was explained within the tutorial resources outside of LoL such as coaches, pro guides, and youtube tutorials won't be needed as much. If people are super eager to learn and grow as a player they will eventually look up the knowledge/resources they need to climb the ladder and improve. There are plenty of people willing to coach for free it really depends on the individual players to actually take the action to make a change themselves.

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ZaneShadow4/4/2018, 4:18:11 AM1 votes

I’d reduce the support tutorial to warding and helping others, and just avoid the term sacrifice or those plays. Mainly because that would turn off potential players who could genuinely enjoy the role.

Including fun things like macro awareness in supports tutorial could also draw in in new players because it helps them feel more important, and teaches them something supports can uniquely dedicate more time to with wards and pings, and least mechanically intensive role.

Frog goes moo4/5/2018, 1:32:43 PM1 votes

tutorial number 1) when you ace an entire team and you have super minions pushing down two lanes, instead of pinging your team to go to baron, you can actually just end the game.

Destaice4/5/2018, 6:56:26 PM1 votes

In the past I suggested a tutorial which unlocks the 5 basic champions after you complete the game as them and the quest objectives given to you during the tutorial.

Garen Top lane. Ryze Mid lane. Amumu Jungle. Ashe ADC. Soraka Support.

The goal would be the emphasize the goal that each role tries to achieve throughout the game and suggests ability levels on top of items.

Have scripted events such as ganks or baron attempts.

sKz Aaron D4/4/2018, 11:51:42 AM1 votes

As much as I'd like to believe what you say, I can't. I have firsthand experience coaching a group of bronze players over a period of almost two months as part of a large gaming community. I was grouped with about 14, and we went over team comps, rotations, builds, mechanics, combos, patch notes, and practiced daily. Of that group, only 1 actively applied what I taught, the rest continually practiced their bad habits. He climbed from B5 with a 36% win rate over ~100 games to B1 in a month and a half. The rest remained exactly where they were, or dropped further. Sure, 14 isn't a large sample size. But unless I were to see a similar sized group do the opposite, I will continue to have no faith that the average player in Bronze is capable of improving.

brônco4/4/2018, 6:32:12 PM1 votes

nty

ModAzure Ole4/4/2018, 8:09:25 PM1 votes

I can appreciate wanting further clarity and a smoother transition from tutorial to play, but can we flesh this out a little more concretely?

I play more top lane than anything else, and you're right, learning the melee into range matchup has a steep curve, but how could I learn more/develop outside of just playing games? I don't think bots are at the point yet where I could practice.

Is 'advanced training' a gamemode? Videos? P2P coaching?

How do you best emphasize farming? Warding? A side mission in which you need x gold by 15 minutes where champ kills count for nothing or something?

thinking man4/4/2018, 9:22:00 PM1 votes

riot doesn't need to do this because you could literally go to youtube or twitch to learn a role

ProfessorTallguy4/4/2018, 10:02:18 PM1 votes

Implementing a proper tutorial system would be a huge benefit to the game, and to the community. If Riot wants to hire me to work on that- I've been a coach since season 1, I'm plat 4, I ran a website and a facebook group about learning to play league better with 10,000+ weekly engagement, and I have a master's degree in vocational education and a Bachelor's in game theory.

Handin Out Naps4/3/2018, 9:33:54 PM1 votes

I feel like there are just a million youtube videos and streamers you can watch to improve. Thats how I got out of low elo back in season 5 at least.

Purejoyce4/3/2018, 9:53:40 PM1 votes

Pretty sure that if a Yi wanted to dive a mid laner, he would dive him with or without your pings. Trying to say that YOU taught him something is vastly exaggerated and kind of selfcentered imo. Even moreso when you don't know that player and probably never played with him before (or at least remember doing it).
It's like those people that keep spamming enemy tower when his team is already pushing it, pretty sure those guys also feel they "influenced his teammates choices greatly" and whatnot.