I'd like to give some clarification on what Sexism actually is, especially in regards to PAX.

Oleandervine·9/8/2018, 9:26:03 PM·2 votes·1,372 views

According to Wikipedia, the general definition of sexism is this:

"Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls. It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles, and may include the belief that one sex or gender is intrinsically superior to another."

Intrinsically related are prejudice:

"Prejudice, or bigotry, is an affective feeling towards a person or group member based solely on that person's group membership. The word is often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable, feelings towards people or a person because of their sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, beauty, occupation, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics. In this case, it refers to a positive or negative evaluation of another person based on that person's perceived group membership."

And discrimination:

"In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction towards, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong. These include age, colour, convictions for which a pardon has been granted or a record suspended, disability, ethnicity, family status, gender identity, genetic characteristics, marital status, nationality, race, religion, sex, and sexual orientation. Discrimination consists of treatment of an individual or group, based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated". It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction going on to influence the individual's actual behavior towards the group leader or the group, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on illogical or irrational decision making."

So let's tie this in with PAX. People have claimed the event was sexist. However, if we look at the definitions of prejudice and discrimination, we start to see where this unravels. First off, it wasn't discrimination, because as we see from the general definition, actual discrimination is based on illogical or irrational decision making. The decision to limit male access to the female recruitment panel and Q&A for a few hours was not irrational or illogical. It had a distinct, specific goal in mind for why men had to be excluded, and that was so that women could have an open and honest talk with other women in the industry without the intimidation or the self-constructed censorship that may occur if men are present. In the same way that you might not geek out with your mom and dad about that awesome game you played where you got a pentakill or in the way that you might control your level of geek out when around someone you're interested in who you might perceive to judge you on your geekiness, this is what I'm talking about here - everyone self censors around people we know don't share the same mindset or strangers we're uncertain about or when we think we may be judged by others on what we're about to say. Women interested in the tech industry might not ask the real questions they want to ask if they think men there will judge them, and the Rioters giving the panel might not give the answers they want to give if they think they might hurt the feelings or make the room awkward when discussing how men have treated them. This is why the panel required no males, it was to foster an environment where open conversation could be had between women. This is also why it's not discrimination, it was not done with express ill will towards men, nor was the reason to exclude based on irrational or illogical thought.

In that vein, it wasn't prejudiced either for the same reasons. There was no ill will towards men in restricting male access to this event. The event, again, was intended to foster open dialogue for women interested in the industry to get honest answers, and it was not intended for men. To have a prejudice, there needs to be some sort of emotion attached to the reasoning behind why you're choosing to change your behaviors towards certain people. That emotion was not present - the reason to exclude men was based on the need for open, uncensored dialogue between women that can't occur when males are present because of the social dynamics that occur. The event, therefore, was not prejudiced against men.

So in short, the event was not sexist because the reasoning why men were excluded was not based on any intrinsic emotion or feelings of superiority. It was done solely to foster a specific dialogue environment, nothing more. The reality of it was, it was no different than having an age restriction, a height restriction, a wardrobe restriction, or any other kind of access restriction that we put up with in day to day life that doesn't bother us in the slightest. I know a lot of people may find this difficult to digest because most people are prone to make sweeping conclusions about things, but something can exclude others and not be discriminatory or sexist. It takes a little thinking to understand this, and I know some people here are so blinded by anger that they are unable to do so, but the event wasn't sexist, discriminatory, or prejudiced. It had a goal, it required a certain environment to achieve that goal. It probably shouldn't have been so impromptu to the point where it surprised people who were unaware, I agree with that, but I don't believe there was any ill intent or malicious actions involved in the reasons behind restricting male access to this event.

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DotEleven9/8/2018, 9:31:04 PM10 votes

It wasn't sexist?

Then let's have Riot hold a male-only one next time for the intention of getting those males who might have some issues going through the usual channels and see just how fast that holds up.

The fact is, banning men from the event outright was the wrong move. That's all we want to hear from Riot. Not that they don't want to do more things to help women get involved, but that they won't do that by just flat out excluding men because there was a lot of things in that event that could've benefited anyone, not just women.

Worst Brad Japan9/8/2018, 10:12:18 PM5 votes

"There is no ill will"

Literally banned from an event because he was born with a dick

"THERE IS NO ILL WILL"

lmao, the mental gymnastic you people go through to justify sexism

That's like saying "I'm not letting this woman outside of the kitchen for her own safety, THERE IS NO ILL WILL"

xDDDD

Beatrice falls9/8/2018, 9:37:35 PM5 votes

Your whole argument is being broken down by this single sentence you posted

"Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender"

No need to argue, this is the same as saying racism only affects black people.

LBmyBB9/8/2018, 9:34:30 PM4 votes

There was no ill will towards men in restricting male access to this event

You can literally use the argument that "there's no ill will" for a ton of things but you would still throw shade at it. Let's use the presidential election as an example. America didn't pick Hilary because she was a woman, it was because they didn't agree with her values and picked the person who did, or at least as close as they could get (or at least reasonable people lot cuz that's a pretty large pool of people). There was no "ill will" (or at least for people that I know), and yet tons of people are going off that she didn't win because she was a woman an that we would hate to have one in office. So my point is, people tend to be reaaal selective on their definitions here. You can't switch it up based on your convenience.

Drugoth9/8/2018, 10:12:20 PM3 votes

Is it not true then, that this was a segregated safe space, whose intrinsic goal was to allow an echo chamber of similar views that excludes any outside views that may be presented by men that may challenge a specific agenda they have based on those views?

If you silence opposing views because you're afraid of conflicting views or substantial arguments somehow infringing upon those weakly held beliefs because they are already contradictory in a variety of ways? Such as the belief that sexism and racism cannot affect those in the majority with "power" and "privilege"?

Why are we rewriting history, (events that are in the past and cannot be changed because they already happened?) We can't look at history through today's narrative lense and let that affect said history, that is just wrong on so many levels. Things happened in the past the way they did because of the world's view at that time.

Why are we rewriting definitions for words to suit specific narratives and agendas?

The doublethink and newspeak is so abundant today around us that it is actually scary to logical free thinkers.

This backlash is simply what it is: A reaction to an obvious political agenda being pushed in our schools and now at corporate levels.

"Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, also control the past."

VoraciousX9/8/2018, 9:37:03 PM3 votes

It's kind of prejudice or stereotypical to assume that men being there will make women feel unwelcome, is it not? That also seems pretty negative.

Hong Kong Annie9/8/2018, 9:49:52 PM3 votes

"In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction towards, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong."

So sorry but no. Banning anyone from something based solely on their race, gender, or ideology is discrimination regards of the circumstances or reasons. So banning men from an event is discrimination based on their gender,or in other words sexism.

Darkdemon6539/8/2018, 10:01:37 PM1 votes

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Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls

I'm too scared to look. Does Wiki actually say that?