Legends of Runeterra | Official Forum?

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Lol they have much bigger issues than getting a forum up. The beta is clunky and buggy as all hell, not to mention the entire game is decided at turn 4 or 5 EVERY game (yes every, do the math its not hard) and snowballing is guaranteed because there arent turns its just back and forth casting with only 1 card from each at a time (theres a reason no card games play like that, it doesnt work).

I think majority of people will disagree with you.

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Since there is no place to put my thoughts on the game, I'm just going to use this since everyone else is. Hopefully they read these comments, although I won't hold my breath lol.

First of all, I like the game. I do. I just have gripes about it and some blatantly flawed things just frustrate me to wanting to exit the game.

Elusive needs to be fixed. I play against it 75% of the time in ranked because there's no reason not to play it. All of the cards are undercosted and take way too much effort to deal with if the elusive player has half a brain. Even their "solution" to it is flawed: there's a tip in the game that says "You can use challenger cards to take out elusive units" or something like that. Yeah, so you want me to take the damage from their creature, and then have a minimal chance of trading a 1 for 1 in combat when every elusive deck runs a ton of combat tricks? No guys, that's not how you solve the issue lol. I've been playing competitive card games, including magic, for 15+ years and that is NOT a solution at all. Elusive shouldn't even be in the game in my opinion. It creates non-interactive game states where both players just ignore everything and try to race and that's just miserable. That's a big reason I uninstalled hearthstone for this game.

Somewhat agree, but the issue is mainly greenglade duo which allows them to easily use combos to rack up 15 damage on one turn in the midgame.

Look, I get it, the game is in "open beta" (which is dev speak for a fully functional and finished game where they can't be blamed for balance issues because of the word "beta"). Some things need balancing. I just hope they don't take too long to get it done because I'm literally already sick of this game. The game itself is designed well for the most part, even though I still think you should be able to double and triple block something, but there's so many unbalanced cards.

To my knowledge riot will be fixing things up a lot faster than pretty much any other CCG dev. Double/triple block is an OK mechanic, but would require a complete rework of the game at this point, it is balanced around single block.

Another example is Avalanche. The card is a clunker and a half. I've taken 5-9 damage BEFORE i can even cast the spell to deal with their small creatures (and that's if they dont counter it or pump their team, which happens a lot). Bare minimum the card needs to be 'Fast', I think it needs to deal 3 damage because 2 barely kills anything relevant and at 4 mana it's just too slow.

Intended, avalanche is already a great card. Dealing 3 damage at 4 mana it would be by far the strongest card in the game for exactly the reason you stated, it would need a pretty hefty mana increase for more damage. On some games you can already cast avalanche after your opponent has only had one chance to attack, it would be pretty silly at 3 damage.

Freeze mechanics are good and I've turned games around with them, but sometimes I need to play them just to stay alive for 2 turns and it's like just waiting to die. Most of the Fjord spells cost too much. Whoever made the warmothers call is trying to troll everyone lol.

"The Undying" needs a rework. I don't want this card to just get nerfed, I want it either taken out of the game or completely redesigned. The card is completely ridiculous. And not because it can just attack without any downside, that's not what concerns me. It's the way it turns on every other overpowered mechanic of shadow isles. Every card that requires a sacrifice is undercosted and does something very powerful, and cards like The Undying (and other last breath cards) make it so their whole deck is strictly more powerful than anything you are doing against it. Along those lines, Hecarim is insane for a 6 mana creature. Definitely needs a bump up in mana cost.

"Cant block" is a pretty big downside for the undying vs aggro, to my knowledge it isn't exactly run in any top tier decks atm. I could definitely see hecarim being hit with a nerf.

Overall, what I'm noticing is that Aggro, whether it's hyper or midrange, is basically the way it feels like the developers want people to play. Control decks that are spell heavy are just plain bad. You have to have 20 creatures in your control deck to contend, and then it just feels like a slow midrange value deck and not a control deck. I've tried a lot of different ways of playing the game, and spell-heavy control seems to be the worst thing you can be doing. In order for this to be a healthy game, there needs to be at least a couple VERY good control decks represented in the format, and right now there's none. I understand decks that drag the game out for 25 minutes and don't allow the other player to play the game may seem "miserable", but you have to remember that control strategies are inherently disadvantaged simply due to the fact that they have to have the answers for threats. Any time one deck presents the must-deal-with threats, they are advantaged. Every aggro deck is automatically favored from the start of the game.

I'm not some die hard control player either. I played midrange, ramp, and combo in magic. I rarely played a counterspell. I just don't feel like playing non-stop phone booth fighting matches. I'd like to actually play a game that requires thought and interaction.

There are a couple very good spell decks. The common freljord/shadow isles deck I've played vs dozen of times, and also the heimer control deck. You have to keep in mind that aggro has to be able to deal a lot of damage in this game to be worthwhile, because the design inherently disfavors aggro by only letting you attack when the mana refills 2x. If removal was better (ex: if avalanche dealt 3) the only aggro deck that could still possibly work is ephemeral.

Elusive needs to be fixed. I play against it 75% of the time in ranked because there's no reason not to play it. All of the cards are undercosted and take way too much effort to deal with if the elusive player has half a brain. Even their "solution" to it is flawed: there's a tip in the game that says "You can use challenger cards to take out elusive units" or something like that. Yeah, so you want me to take the damage from their creature, and then have a minimal chance of trading a 1 for 1 in combat when every elusive deck runs a ton of combat tricks? No guys, that's not how you solve the issue lol. I've been playing competitive card games, including magic, for 15+ years and that is NOT a solution at all. Elusive shouldn't even be in the game in my opinion. It creates non-interactive game states where both players just ignore everything and try to race and that's just miserable. That's a big reason I uninstalled hearthstone for this game.

I completly agree on that part. Elusive is owerpowered, because there is no hard counter to it. In my oppinion it is not so much the cost, but more the fact that there is no good way to defend against elusive and that many effects that are intended to be bad are actually helping them. A 3/2 elusive with "return the card that just buffed you to your hand" for 2 mana is simply not doing its job. It is really hard to win against this shit even with cards that SHOULD counter like freeze, challenger, ruturn, hard removal, AOE damage. Freeze actually helps, but is an one-time effect with around the same cost as the elusives and the buffs, so it is cost-ineffective. Challenger can get owned pretty hard by buffs and removal and often is simply too late bacause often it cannot be used, before the elusive fellows hit the nexus at least once. Ruturn cards ar like freeze simply to costly and also the enemy gets to trigge the initial abilities of their elusive cards another time. And AOE helps but avalnche simply is too weak against the buffed stuff, harms yourself, costs a decent amount of mana and is as standalone not enough, while Anivia is enough as standalone, at least over a few turns, but with a hefty seven mana cost is simply to expensive. Hard removal is too expensive or too situational (the unconditional removal costs 7 mana and can be counterspelled, while the conditional removal often loses its value because of the buffs).

posssible Solutions:

1. Elusives are only elusive until the first attack (heathstone solution)
2. Elusives can only block and be blocked by elusives (then it becomes necessary for the elusive player to have some non-elusives in his deck, that actually can defend him)
3. Elusives that get targeted by a spell or ability - no matter if friend or foe and no matter if on hand, deck or board- lose their elusiveness. This is my favourite solution so far, because it makes sense, that a creature, that got "found" is not hidden anymore.
4. Higher costs/lower stats for elusives (don't like this one)
5. Timers. All Elusives have an effect like "discard the top three cards of your deck before drawing". Other Ideas would be, taht you lose mobilize when playing an elusive and you can only play one per turn. I do not like these solutions as well becuase these feel pretty artificial.
6. Tracker units. There are several possibilities how to do that. Either a tracker reveals all elusive, enabling all other units to reveal them. Or a tracker permanently removes the elusive effect of all elusives on the board. You do not even have to invent new cards but simply give some of them an additional effect and because they become only buffed against elusives there should be no other side effects. (I like this solution, because it makes sense).

Another example is Avalanche. The card is a clunker and a half. I've taken 5-9 damage BEFORE i can even cast the spell to deal with their small creatures (and that's if they dont counter it or pump their team, which happens a lot). Bare minimum the card needs to be 'Fast', I think it needs to deal 3 damage because 2 barely kills anything relevant and at 4 mana it's just too slow.

Avalanche is fine. It is only 2 damage but is AOE. 1 Damage more and it would destroy everything, especially since the avalache holder can adjust his defence so that the attackers only surviv with 3 health or less. The more power avalanche has the easier it becomes.

Freeze mechanics are good and I've turned games around with them, but sometimes I need to play them just to stay alive for 2 turns and it's like just waiting to die. Most of the Fjord spells cost too much. Whoever made the warmothers call is trying to troll everyone lol.

Well freeze is powerful. It only seems to be too expensive because of the elusives...well and early game aggro I guess. Against others it is pretty fine.

"The Undying" needs a rework. I don't want this card to just get nerfed, I want it either taken out of the game or completely redesigned. The card is completely ridiculous. And not because it can just attack without any downside, that's not what concerns me. It's the way it turns on every other overpowered mechanic of shadow isles. Every card that requires a sacrifice is undercosted and does something very powerful, and cards like The Undying (and other last breath cards) make it so their whole deck is strictly more powerful than anything you are doing against it. Along those lines, Hecarim is insane for a 6 mana creature. Definitely needs a bump up in mana cost.

Well Hecarim is little tad to strong, but the undying? No. The downside of no defence is actually a pretty high cost. If you do not trade aginst it, then the ghost islands player actaully has to spend its own mana to kill it.

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I am really annoyed with one card, the card is too op, it just says "Kill a unit", I spent whole match preparing a combo for a 16/17 poro fluff and boom, it was killed with that card and it doesn't have any requirements for the card to work, nah, just kills any enemy. What a joke, we need a Legends of Runeterra forums so we can post things like that there.

I've had that exact scenario. A great Poro Fluff with Tough and Overwhelm and nah, dead.

Some of the damaging spells are just weird. The 'Deal 4 damage to enemy Nexus' exists. Kill a Unit with less than 3 Power, that's basically just a counter to Braum. No playing clever like making him take a 2 damage unit then amping them up to 3 with burst spells, nah, dead.

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I am really annoyed with one card, the card is too op, it just says "Kill a unit", I spent whole match preparing a combo for a 16/17 poro fluff and boom, it was killed with that card and it doesn't have any requirements for the card to work, nah, just kills any enemy. What a joke, we need a Legends of Runeterra forums so we can post things like that there.

That card is making the poro deck useless, but I really like it... sad

Ever heard of placing all your eggs in one basket? well, thats what you did. that card only exists within the shivering isles deck. Meaning, when facing them, if you havent seen that card once or twice, maybe dont plop everything into one follower? I dont agree that kill one enemy should be 7 cost, but there are cards that are less balanced than that one. i mean even in the noxus deck you can do the exact same thing with 4 mana. Blade's Edge into Noxian Guillotine. Even if you buff the stats he is still damaged. meaning the only way to stop it is Ki Blast, burst spell giving him barrier, or Deny. Both within the Ionia deck. Of which, deny blocks Vengeance. So, maybe run Ionia with Freljiord, or dont build up one unit right away.

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I am really annoyed with one card, the card is too op, it just says "Kill a unit", I spent whole match preparing a combo for a 16/17 poro fluff and boom, it was killed with that card and it doesn't have any requirements for the card to work, nah, just kills any enemy. What a joke, we need a Legends of Runeterra forums so we can post things like that there.

That card is making the poro deck useless, but I really like it... sad

i built a poro deck too, and yes it is challenging. The same thing happend to me, i had a 25/24 Fluft, it took some time for the preparation. I was rlly proud and you know what happend? "Recall a Unit" happend, it is almost the same as "Kill a Unit".

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As there's no official forum, I'll post here.

There's a lot of hate in here already, and to those who don't like the game: "leave, and good riddance".

This is the most balanced card game in BETA I've ever played. For those of you complaining about card power, I guess you weren't around at the beginning of Magic the Gathering. (Blue Spell Blast anyone? Black Lotus?) There are already numerous competitive decks, and the meta changes fast. I had a great winning rate with one deck, two days later I was losing with it. Fantastic! That's how card games are SUPPOSED to be.

Some poster said games end on turn 4 or 5. He obviously means he LOSES games on turn 4 or 5, because very few of my games end that early, and then it's just because of bad draws/god draws. Which happens in every card game. More often then naught players become "Enlightened".

As for card power on some cards, while some tweaking can obviously happen, I've found that if you play very smartly, you can often outmanoeuvre your opponent and push through that last bit of damage. And for those of you that really can't figure out how to play against big Followers, play Purify.

Pay to win? Um... no. Not at all. The devs are being very generous IMO.

Overall, Runeterra is a FANTASTIC game, and am really looking forward to it's continued support and development.

Thanks for posting this, seriously. I think there are some tweaks needed, like some of the Elusive cards are seriously overtuned. Also, if you're on the backfoot then Katarina is seriously difficult to deal with.

But honestly, yeah. I remember the Magic days of 1/100th of the cards being viable and you had to pay huge amounts for them cough right now cough. I think the most balanced Beta CCG I've seen is Hearthstone. You could take the starting cards all the way to the top of the ladder, which is a real feat of balance that I've never seen anywhere else.

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The Harrowing???? THE HARROWING?! ARE YOU ACTUALLY KIDDING ME?! because this card is literally the game ender, there's nothing you can do at that point, for context, I was playing my duelist deck I literally made to fight shadow isles because it's gotten that bad, my opponent had ionia shadow isles, so naturally I assume ephemeral, I he starts and has no one drops, and I take control with a legion drummer, starting off nice with 3 damage ok, he moves in and I summon Katarina, he summons the dark water scourge, ok, he then uses mark for death to remove ephemeral and place it on Katarina, nothing I can do about that, and I think, that sucks, but those cards we're essentially made for each other, I play several cards after that, nearly kill him at around round 6 or so, I even managed to assassinate his Karma using a spell and a barrier, but then after a while I notice he's only fighting with his dark water scourge, I could summon another follower, but I think "no, he's probably got the ruination, that's why he hasn't summoned any defense," So I hold my hand and just as I expected he casts the ruination after attacking with the dark water scourge for the last time, I think, I played well and now, even though I only have one follower left, I can defeat him, he's at 9 hp. he stole around 15 hp from my units, all I have left is one 2/2 follower with toughness, but that doesn't mean I can't beat him down If I draw well, but then, BUT THEN, he casts THE HARROWING, it costs 10 mana and summons the STRONGEST 6 SIX, SSSSIIIIXXX, UNITS , not allied followers, UNITS, any unit that died this game, and applies ephemeral, At this point I think "I'm finished right? no, no I've worked to hard to give up now, so I plan out an organized strategy with the 3 cards left in my hand, I capture his dark water scourge so that he can't steal 5 hp, and because it's one of the 2 strongest cards on his field, then I block Karma with my follower and grant them barrier, If it all went as planned he could only beat me down to 2 hp, It's not a lot, but certainly he can't challenge me after that, but no, what I didn't realize was that he drew 3 ALL THREE OF HIS MARK OF THE ISLES CARDS, mark of the isles is a 1 cost card that grants +3/+3 and ephemeral, I did the most I could possibly do, I played the best I could have, but YOU CAN'T FIGHT SHADOW ISLES, DON'T EVEN TRY

Sounds like a good game to me XD. Also, Katarina is absolute horseshit so -shrug-, stop complaining.

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Frostbite needs a nerf, Heimerdinger needs a nerf, shadow isles still needs a better nerf

None of them really needs a nerf, shadow isles have one really good card that really needs a nerf and that is Hecarim, he is overpowered.