Sorry guys screaming NET NEUTRALITY on the internet isnt doing anything. So what now.

Skorch·12/5/2017, 4:15:46 PM·28 votes·1,494 views

Yes the Net neutrality thing is INCREDIBLY important, but also IMO beaten to death.

Everyone that uses the internet frequently (And yes i mean EVERY SINGLE PERSON that uses it for more than 2 hours a day) cares about this subject. And i havent seen a single person that doesnt know what it is. The FFC got 20 MILLION comments, sure like 80% were regurgitated lines, but of the 20% that werent 98.5% were pro net neutrality.

What im getting at is:

AWARENESS ISNT THE ISSUE.

It is completely apparent that the FFC is blatantly ignoring public comment. And the congressman youve been calling... 800,000 times total btw, They either BLATANTLY SHOW SUPPORT, with a few opposing. And the rest..... stagnating. Probably pushing the envelope (THE THING THE SENATE FUCKING LOOOOOOOVE TO DO) till day of to say "SURPRISE, im anti net neutrality, thats why i didnt comment yet."

So what DO you do? Well if you scroll down on https://www.battleforthenet.com/ You can see they are planning protests. And they are EVERYWHERE. Go to those. Hell. Go to your own Verizon/Comcast wherever and protest. PEACEFULLY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. (EDIT: And a little side-note, if you ARE going protest, dont take it out on employees, they just want a job and harassing THEM does nothing.)

But think of it this way, sure if you just get you and your friends to protest outside your local Verizon that doesnt look like much. What 5 people. But if you spread that out more, get family, extended friends, extended family, classmates, get people invested. even if its 5 10 20 100 people. That doesnt seem like a lot when 20 million sent comments. But if there 1, 5, 10, 20, 100, 1000, 10000 people at EVERY ISP in EVERY town. That is hundreds of thousands of people openly protesting for the net.

Commenting isnt working... calling isnt working. Raise your signs folks its time to do the last resort method.

25 Comments

thinking man12/5/2017, 4:16:44 PM17 votes

are you saying that screeching on my preferred forum isn't a valid form of activism for an issue

Player Vehicle12/5/2017, 4:42:39 PM6 votes

Here are your two options

[[With NN: The internet is a public utility, gets the benefits of tax breaks, subsidization etc. High traffic sites are free to be freeloaders and murder bandwidth at 5pm. Google,netflix, facebook and the government run the internet. Google & FB being like 60% of internet traffic. Both google and facebook have been caught doing censoring in the past politically so this idea that NN somehow prevents that isn't true. more on this later.

[[Without NN: Now the ISPs enter the fray and get to challenge the power of these companies based on usage. Google and Facebook lose a lot of power and influence. However traffic prioritization & data cap deals are no longer ((illegal)). though all this stuff has been happening since 2014 so i'm not sure what NN is supposed to be doing besides helping Google grow.

Realistically both options suck, yet you have people convinced NN is the sole barrier protecting them from ISP's enslaving their families. The ideal scenario would be no NN and the ISP monopolies get busted. That isn't an option. So your options are power is consolidated in like 3 entities vs like 6 or 7 entities. Thats all this is about.

No one's charging you pay-per-view internet and pay-per-view internet packages weren't even illegal under NN the ISP just had to make their portugese tiered internet service publicly known. So the clever fucks posting that same portugese tiered-internet image from 3 yrs ago can fuck off.

The idea of throttling sites is also overblown. Yes they've done it in a few situations in the past, and every single time the consumer backlash has forced them to very quickly undo it with absolutely no legal threat at all. As shitty as ISPs are, they do need to maintain a minimum level of "not pissing off half the country." There's no advantage to throttling low traffic sites and telling people to pay, because there's no money in it because they're low traffic. ISP's haven't even taken legal action against pirates, because they still want them as customers.

Another thing, "fast lanes," which are illegal under NN but no one cares because NN is irrelevant as anything other than a concept. The whole intial kneejerk was people thinking ISPs were throttling Netflix, but it ended up being something else entirely. Backbones have deals with each other on data exchange, and if one pushes more than they take they end up getting charged for it. So Netflix was pushing data to backbone A, A was transferring it to B, who then pushed it to Comcast. Well B was taking more than it was sending through A, so they send A a bill. A throttles Netflix and tells them they have to pay if they want to get more data through B. Netflix says Comcast should pay because their customers are the ones who need it pulled along that path. Comcast says fuck off, and we all get Net Neutrality to punish them except it doesn't actually do anything in this situation because Comcast was never actually throttling and the FCC can't tell backbones what to do. Torrent sites deal with this on a regular basis, the internet has always functioned like this, data isn't equal and bandwidth isn't infinite. Netflix lost the case and had to create their own content delivery networks (fast lanes, paid prioritization, so evil), pays Comcast to hook into them directly, and bypasses the backbones. Everything worked out, net neutrality did nothing, but we still have it. Hurray.

Meanwhile Google has actively pursued sites like stormfront, 8ch, signs with the DMCA to remove your search results etc. So remind me again how this is about censorship and Google, who had a big lobbying hand in the 2014 Title 2 reclassification so they could try to push fiber in silicon valley is the good guy. Paid prioritization of youtube destroyed all competition by the way since it's technically illegal for anyone besides google and netflix to have their data prioritized. I'm sure dailymotion has a few choice words about it.

What was coined as "net neutrality" was literally a nationalized utility by any other name, giving regulatory control of the internet to the FCC rather than just letting the FTC resolve disputes. Tell me again about how much you enjoy subsidizing monopolies with your tax dollars

ImAGhostOoOoOoOo12/5/2017, 4:19:55 PM2 votes

They aren't gonna care one bit about protests.

They gain way more profit and connection wise by changing net neutrality and the only way you're gonna stop it is if you have tons of money to stop them. You don't.

Zastie12/5/2017, 6:13:25 PM1 votes

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PEACEFULLY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

I would just like to re-highlight this.

CLG ear12/5/2017, 6:29:24 PM1 votes

i've emailed my congressman and senators and they just gave me form letters regurgitating bullshit that ajit pai told them

ADC Bard12/5/2017, 7:20:25 PM1 votes

please do that

that means less people in front of their computer using bandwidth therefore better internet connection for me

Bard

Dead Anime Dad12/5/2017, 11:16:55 PM1 votes

WE SHOULD DIG A MOAT!

General Esdeath 12/6/2017, 8:18:46 AM1 votes

Part of me wants to see NN gone only because I'd enjoy sitting back and watching people chimp out on the news and internet (NN being voted away would still take like 4-5 months for anything to change) and start getting violent. I honestly think when people get too rich they need that reality check that violent people exist. I'm not one of them, but they're out there, and it's funny to watch sometimes :^)

same with presidential elections

Sheogowrath12/6/2017, 2:34:10 PM1 votes

Boycott any internet provider that dares throttle a website and lets crowdfund google fibre

Colonel J12/6/2017, 2:38:48 PM1 votes

Accept that net neutrality is bad, unnecessary, and learn to embrace the free market.

CrisisEchoes12/5/2017, 5:21:13 PM1 votes

Everyone forgets that net neutrality has to make it past the supreme court. Not only does the FCC have to provide a new circumstance that proves it should be repealed right now, they have to prove its unconstitutional too.

The Oasis12/5/2017, 5:22:14 PM1 votes

If people really want to make a change, they should follow the example of the "Free Tibet" movement. Protest on college campus, go to hippie concerts and do lots of drugs, and tell people we should "all like, get along brother." THEY knew how to get things...oh wait.