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Illaoi is dead

Moody P·6/7/2019, 1:07:10 PM·19 votes·7,373 views

bugfixing what made her passable in such a hostile meta without even hinting at the other well documented and massive list of bugs holding her back, just fucking LOL. She will replace Mordekaiser as the most bugged champion after his VGU

Illaoi is fundamentally incapable of doing her job right now as a zone champion who can't keep you in the zone to actually matter. it's insane how correctly Illaoi needs to play and despite the multitude of conditions that need to be reached she can still lose without doing much of anything

loses to most divers, loses to skirmishers, loses to mages, loses to most other juggernauts, loses to marksmen, nullified by supports, good against tanks in lane and that's it - except not really because tanks still peel her hard in team fights later on anyway. She has numerous hard counters while not hard countering anything herself

even her best players atm in challenger are losing most games now and starting to drop out of it and into grandmaster or lower, meta is too hostile and she's far too under equipped as a champion overall

Buff illaoi

32 Comments

XJ999999999999996/7/2019, 1:11:59 PM14 votes

this meta is aids.

Jamaree6/7/2019, 1:29:41 PM8 votes

Got to agree with you, the amount of work you have to put in with Illaoi to make her work is frustrating, that said, she isn't going to get buffs because people would QQ too hard.

Jimmy Rustles6/7/2019, 2:25:51 PM5 votes

I'm still mad about them making tentacles visible when they appear in bushes

Everyone else's things, like zyra plants and Heiner turrets, are invisible in bushes

Power Cosmic6/7/2019, 1:59:22 PM2 votes

Yeah she has felt meh all season. Before she wasn't solely based on her E, and she got serious value out of her Q while laning too. You could even build lethality or pure AD around her Q, in quite a few matchups. Now she is boring bruiser only, that has to land her E or basically isn't a champ. And there are several ways to outplay her when she has your spirit too. I don't enjoy her near as much as I used to. Given other options, there is no reason to play her if she cant bully her lane. She naturally has limited value teamfighting, split pushing, or carrying. She has to lane bully.

Pika Fox6/7/2019, 3:37:28 PM2 votes

Good.

CodenameCupcake6/7/2019, 7:28:35 PM2 votes

Isnt Illaoi basically:

"Hit E and you kill anything or miss it and instantly die"

?

Ravenous Howls6/7/2019, 6:05:33 PM1 votes

Pretty sure WW has far more bugs than Illaoi does. I think the champs issue is the her power budget is all loaded into her spirit grab. Without a grab all of her abilities are fundamentally weaker. Also I am not sure what bugs she has. Can you site a source or link the description?

The King Diamond6/7/2019, 6:20:15 PM1 votes

Dont buff my girl cuz there will be more players that plays her so basically I will play her less :D Imo she isn't this bad right now. When played well she can stomp champions like riven/irelia/sylas but she is too much depending on if she miss her E or no. And if ur enemy know about the Illaoi, he can play around u really easy. Juking Q/E, baiting R/E etc. And that's her biggest weakness. Her kit is really predictable and her playstyle almost always makes her vulnerable to ganks/duels. And also that fucking bugs. Too many Riot! I think she is able to win MOST melee champions, but struggles rly hard against ranges. I hate playing against kennen/ryze as Illaoi. Im not master/challenger so I cant say how she is there. But I swear u guys, she is usefull to plat 2. So in general, the smarter and experienced players are, the weaker Illaoi is.

And FIX THE BUGS. I can even make a whole list for that if needs.

ImTheJuggernauty6/7/2019, 7:09:08 PM1 votes

How about these points as a conversation starter:

  1. as many have mentioned, she is too dependent on landing E, and it's incredibly unreliable

  2. The insane levels of cc and mobility in this game totally rek her, much like my beloved darius

  3. We don't really want to give her much more mobility to fix her, she's a juggernaut, and mobility is a rare treat for any juggernaut (garen Q speed boost, Shyv speed boost and ult leap, mundo R speed boost, urgot E jump, etc). it's an intended weakness. Aka, they should be kitable

  4. She has too much power in ult plus E combo to help her in other ways, but it's too unreliable

Ok so my ideas, to be taken in some combination together, or separately:

  1. When she grabs a spirit, reduce the transfer damage by a little, but debuff the enemy champs damage by like 4% per tentacle smack, up to 20%

  2. When an enemy champ with a grabbed spirit uses a champion ability (not counting summoner abilities) to leap, dash, blink, or run away at a speed greater than X amount, it causes that enemies champ to be yanked back 150 units after executing the ability or after 1 second (for speed boosts) and they take a certain % hp damage. This would help punish mobile melees and range champs who play poorly against her, so that they can't play badly with impunity, and give her a little cc to help.

  3. Tentacle slams deal .05% more damage for every 1% more hp illaoi has over an opponent. Idea being that puny and weak champs get crushed by her long, raging, veiny tentacles. So if she has 4k hp, and hits an out of place cocky adc or all damage mage with like 2k hp, she'll do 50% more damage, which could be significant.

  4. She grounds any unit she hits with her W for up to 1.5 seconds based on level. So that hit and run talon that tries to gank and jump over a wall gets smashed in the face real hard. Or the nasty jax that lost the trade who is about to jump clear away just before being pounded gets totally shrekt.

  5. Her E damages and passes through minions within 100 units, but after that it gets blocks, as it already does.

  6. When E is on CD, allow her to use the ability to direct tentacles to lay down and create a barrier that last 1 second. This barely doesn't deal damage or block allied units. So say she is running from a two man gank and she passes a tentacle on the wall. She's about to get overtaken, but her E is on cd, so makes the tentacle collapse behind her just as they are about to reach her. She can only use it once per E CD, and she can use it while moving. It would be sort of like a double cast with different effects like Aatrox.

  7. Illaio Q-W-E-R turns her into a giant octopus out of water

To balance some of these changes, I'd recommend a greater damage reduction when multiple tentacles hit, and a little less damage transfer when landing E.

Let me know what you guys think. Maybe these ideas are too extreme or don't really hit the spot.

General Esdeath 6/7/2019, 8:53:35 PM1 votes

Hey she can beat Riven so the boards should like her

[slayer-jinx-wink]

KVbqbFsC8e6/7/2019, 8:57:20 PM1 votes

Good. They should rework her to make her less cancerous to play against as melee.

The Ecdysiast6/7/2019, 9:10:20 PM1 votes

Or you could get gud.

Glaricion6/7/2019, 9:27:36 PM1 votes

At least she still has the Draven adoration stack bug? If not, I guess she could visit Trundle in the 'dead champion' category.

Proxy3456/7/2019, 10:29:43 PM1 votes

Theres a reason why even her mains subreddit is completely dead lmfao,and thats sad for any champion,that means barely anyone plays her at all.

Phhase6/8/2019, 6:48:42 AM1 votes

Good.

Aphelios is OP6/8/2019, 9:30:19 AM1 votes

Thank you, I lost count of how many times I pulled an E and the tentacles don't slam. Or when it lands but still doesn't pull. Very game-breaking and annoying. Or when I ult and the spawned tentacles don't slam. Or when I W and the tentacle's slam is so delayed.

She's without a doubt one of the weakest top laners in high-elo and is so easy to counter, it just makes her a useless champ.

Tyrannus06/10/2019, 7:21:42 PM1 votes

I love her but Illaoi is basically a polite request to your opponent to win lane. All of her damage is completely optional.

Kiss My Egg6/7/2019, 1:36:54 PM1 votes

Oh really ... when I met her recently in rankeds she was nice fed.

WTBeGirl100EUhr6/7/2019, 1:43:03 PM1 votes

What was the bugfix?

Kyovulpes6/7/2019, 2:30:35 PM1 votes

True but where do you see her needing the buff the most? Or rather what would you think would need a change in places. I feel like her E should have some sort of soft CC when you get hit or Allow for a Daruis like pull but instead multiple souls instead of the soft CC? Honestly now that I think about it Illaoi needs like stat changes? Maybe a passive change or something? I don't see where you change or buff her that makes her s6 bannable other than lowering her E cd even more.

Minimac20006/7/2019, 3:28:47 PM1 votes

Agreed, shes incredibly fun to play against tanks. And just flat out loses most other matchups, losing increasingly harder past her 20 minute spike where you become useless in team fights as long as the other team has a.2 cc abilities or b.brains And yeah.... missing her e is usually on par with literally inting

Wolfalisk3186/7/2019, 5:38:34 PM1 votes

At the same time though when this Champion gets ahead she 1v12s.