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I feel like shit talking is one of the best parts of games

DrowningInAss··3 votes·1,517 views

Of course you shouldn't have hate speech, bullying, threats, or anything but being able to call someone trash, or you being teased about that odd play that you might have made, it adds a competitive spirit into the air, it makes you actually care to prove your worth and either back up your tough talk or you have to eat your words and have no choice accept the fact you lost. Worst case scenario if you can't handle being shit talked you have a mute button out there for you to silently enjoy your game if you want, and I feel like that's what it should be all about.

IMO talking trash makes me actually care about the game and that being taken away does just that, makes me care a lot less which is a shame.

I already know this is get a bunch of downvotes but oh well

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Support Evelynn4 votes

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DrowningInAss1 votes

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OP is garbage.

no u

Moody P4 votes

Correct, it is. Bantering with friends and forming rivalries is the ultimate enjoyment of any social game.

Unfortunately a lot of people want to be as far removed from other people as possible and many new games cater to that.

TEEMO GOD XDDDD3 votes

they hated jesus because he told the truth.........

Chalze1 votes

In my opinion people who need trash talking to win can't win by raw skill/knowledge. That's why they need to resort to it. It's not integral to any competitive spirit or contribute towards any kind of competitive spirit at all.

It's not legally wrong but incredibly unethical and just such a low move.

That being said, the biggest issue with trash talking is that it works more often than not.

DrowningInAss1 votes

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In my opinion people who need trash talking to win can't win by raw skill/knowledge. That's why they need to resort to it. It's not integral to any competitive spirit or contribute towards any kind of competitive spirit at all.

It's not legally wrong but incredibly unethical and just such a low move.

That being said, the biggest issue with trash talking is that it works more often than not.

I can see why you'd say that but I personally don't understand what's incredibly unethical than just saying "I'm better than you" "No I'm better than you" Check any sport and you'll see how trash talking comes into play, and overall makes it much more fun to watch. Not only that but its another way to show how much people care about what they do.

The main thing I don't approve of when it comes to it though is not respecting your opponents at the end of it. In general ending whatever beef you have with someone by just shit talking shows how much of a douche you are (unless they were BIG time assholes who really had it coming)

Chalze1 votes

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I can see why you'd say that but I personally don't understand what's incredibly unethical than just saying "I'm better than you" "No I'm better than you" Check any sport and you'll see how trash talking comes into play, and overall makes it much more fun to watch. Not only that but its another way to show how much people care about what they do.

The main thing I don't approve of when it comes to it though is not respecting your opponents at the end of it. In general ending whatever beef you have with someone by just shit talking shows how much of a douche you are (unless they were BIG time assholes who really had it coming)

Sportsmanship is rarely fun to watch for the masses. The most appealing emotions is anger and validation, both of which are huge in trash talking. That's why it sells; anger if you side with the trash talked and validation if you side with the trash talker (and thus vice versa).

But saying "I'm better than you" is rare. That's not provocative enough. In order to get a reaction you need to go as low as possible like insulting someone's dead parents or whatnot which of course is absolutely deplorable but as soon as someone acts out physically, no matter how, suddenly the person provoked is in the absolute wrong. Is this wrong ethically? Of course, but this also stirs more anger and drama, both of which serve as amazing word of mouth advertising. Point is, trash talking has nothing to do with people caring about what they do. People who trash talk can't win without needing to try demoralize the opponent as a last and final resort, making them in my opinion, the lowest of the low when it comes to sportsmanship. However if the trash talker doesn't trash talk with the intention of gaining an upper hand through demoralization, the trash talker probably just isn't a very good person in general.

You have an issue when it comes to not respecting your opponents at the end. How is that different from during the game? It's even worse in my opinion if they try to respect you again during the end because it's either them basically trying to give themselves a warrant to trash talk, something like "oh nah bro don't overreact to my provocative remarks we're all good no I'm the good guy if they overreact they're the problem not me bro look see I respect them" or they're implying that they are using trash talking as a means to gain an advantage through demoralization (though these two cases are definitely not mutually exclusive).

People say trash talking is an integral part of competitive gaming and that Riot's being a pussy by banning anyone even remotely toxic which they don't, they do actually give you quite a bit of leeway, but at the same time, Riot has full justification for trying to eradicate as much toxicity from the game as possible because toxicity is directly opposing sportsmanship.

Kenneky1 votes

If you play a game just because you can trash talk, there's something wrong with you as a person. Back in the day where multiplayer wasn't as common as today, people played games for fun and entertainment, not to insult each other. If someone insults me or "trash talk" me I just ignore them or at least don't try to respond in the same manner as them. If you actually care about the game because of trash talking, you are one of the reasons why is the player base toxic, if you believe this is what games are about.

OtakuBurrito2 votes

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If you play a game just because you can trash talk, there's something wrong with you as a person. Back in the day where multiplayer wasn't as common as today, people played games for fun and entertainment, not to insult each other. If someone insults me or "trash talk" me I just ignore them or at least don't try to respond in the same manner as them. If you actually care about the game because of trash talking, you are one of the reasons why is the player base toxic, if you believe this is what games are about.

Did you just mentally block out call of duty and the original mario party era because like...CoD is one thing but mario party ACTIVELY encourages you to fuck with people while they're playing to gain an edge even now. It's a good kind of aggression like sibling fighting/rivalry. Nothing over the top and honestly when I could talk shit in game a lot of time when the game was over the lobby was chill because we knew how to leave it there. Now there's not that option so you have people adding others after games to rage and they take it into the next game.

I'm not saying people should be like kys etc but shit talking is common asf. Korean and Chinese pros do it hardcore on weibo.

Honestly people are just pressed because they can't think of witty comebacks and cry bullying because their inability to think quick on their feet revealed just how witty they truly aren't and it's sad.

DrowningInAss1 votes

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Back in the day where multiplayer wasn't as common as today, people played games for fun and entertainment, not to insult each other.

oh boi i bet youve never been in an old call of duty lobby

mack91121 votes

It’s like saying the best part of hockey is the fights.

It’s entertaining but damages game integrity.

CominTowardsYa1 votes

All or nothing man. You can't just pick and choose when it comes to talking crap. Either allow everything or don't allow any shit talk.

DrowningInAss1 votes

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All or nothing man. You can't just pick and choose when it comes to talking crap. Either allow everything or don't allow any shit talk.

Its not like irl where you can't filter annoying people, you have the actual option to mute people if you genuinely can't handle it. I think people should just grow thicker skin tbh.

ModPrandine

Trash talking and even playful banter by itself are fine but even they have their limits, and no I'm not just talking about things like death threats or racial slurs. Cross that line or take it too far and you can expect to be held accountable for it, even in pro sports. At that point you're no longer trash talking but just talking like trash. There's nothing wrong with expecting or requiring at least some level of maturity and sportsmanship out of players. and the sad truth is that players who become known for behavioral issues can eventually have that overshadow their skill. Pro LoL player Dardoch is one such example, as though he's skilled at the game he's been on multiple teams due in part to being difficult to work with behavior wise.

When it comes to the mute button while I do agree that people should use it when need be overall it is meant to be a band-aid solution at most, not a get out of jail free card or a catch-all excuse. As for the sensitivity argument, From Ulanopo’s Knowledge Base:

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)):

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as ”Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

Also, from Riot Tantram:

People might be used to feeling powerful behind a computer monitor where people don't know who they are, but that's not how we look at things.

if you were playing a game of basketball, and told someone to go kill themselves because you were frustrated about losing, you'd be penalized. Would you be punched in the face for telling someone at the bar to go kill themselves? Probably.

It's not 'PC'. It doesn't take 'testicles' to hide behind a monitor and tell someone to kill themselves or call them a racial slur. In fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite.

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