I feel like shit talking is one of the best parts of games

DrowningInAss·11/25/2019, 2:15:26 AM·3 votes·1,517 views

Of course you shouldn't have hate speech, bullying, threats, or anything but being able to call someone trash, or you being teased about that odd play that you might have made, it adds a competitive spirit into the air, it makes you actually care to prove your worth and either back up your tough talk or you have to eat your words and have no choice accept the fact you lost. Worst case scenario if you can't handle being shit talked you have a mute button out there for you to silently enjoy your game if you want, and I feel like that's what it should be all about.

IMO talking trash makes me actually care about the game and that being taken away does just that, makes me care a lot less which is a shame.

I already know this is get a bunch of downvotes but oh well

14 Comments

Support Evelynn11/25/2019, 2:29:48 AM4 votes

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Moody P11/25/2019, 2:41:32 AM4 votes

Correct, it is. Bantering with friends and forming rivalries is the ultimate enjoyment of any social game.

Unfortunately a lot of people want to be as far removed from other people as possible and many new games cater to that.

TEEMO GOD XDDDD11/25/2019, 6:06:41 AM3 votes

they hated jesus because he told the truth.........

CominTowardsYa11/25/2019, 9:28:07 PM1 votes

All or nothing man. You can't just pick and choose when it comes to talking crap. Either allow everything or don't allow any shit talk.

Chalze11/25/2019, 2:25:14 AM1 votes

In my opinion people who need trash talking to win can't win by raw skill/knowledge. That's why they need to resort to it. It's not integral to any competitive spirit or contribute towards any kind of competitive spirit at all.

It's not legally wrong but incredibly unethical and just such a low move.

That being said, the biggest issue with trash talking is that it works more often than not.

Kenneky11/25/2019, 7:55:11 AM1 votes

If you play a game just because you can trash talk, there's something wrong with you as a person. Back in the day where multiplayer wasn't as common as today, people played games for fun and entertainment, not to insult each other. If someone insults me or "trash talk" me I just ignore them or at least don't try to respond in the same manner as them. If you actually care about the game because of trash talking, you are one of the reasons why is the player base toxic, if you believe this is what games are about.

mack911211/25/2019, 9:02:43 AM1 votes

It’s like saying the best part of hockey is the fights.

It’s entertaining but damages game integrity.

ModPrandine11/26/2019, 8:03:53 PM

Trash talking and even playful banter by itself are fine but even they have their limits, and no I'm not just talking about things like death threats or racial slurs. Cross that line or take it too far and you can expect to be held accountable for it, even in pro sports. At that point you're no longer trash talking but just talking like trash. There's nothing wrong with expecting or requiring at least some level of maturity and sportsmanship out of players. and the sad truth is that players who become known for behavioral issues can eventually have that overshadow their skill. Pro LoL player Dardoch is one such example, as though he's skilled at the game he's been on multiple teams due in part to being difficult to work with behavior wise.

When it comes to the mute button while I do agree that people should use it when need be overall it is meant to be a band-aid solution at most, not a get out of jail free card or a catch-all excuse. As for the sensitivity argument, From Ulanopo’s Knowledge Base:

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)):

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as ”Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

Also, from Riot Tantram:

People might be used to feeling powerful behind a computer monitor where people don't know who they are, but that's not how we look at things.

if you were playing a game of basketball, and told someone to go kill themselves because you were frustrated about losing, you'd be penalized. Would you be punched in the face for telling someone at the bar to go kill themselves? Probably.

It's not 'PC'. It doesn't take 'testicles' to hide behind a monitor and tell someone to kill themselves or call them a racial slur. In fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite.