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In light of the recent "experiment" going on with permabanned players...

Barcid·8/1/2018, 5:30:48 AM·6 votes·3,466 views

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/2FVumk1h-psa-riot-na-is-experimentally-giving-one-chance-permad-players-to-prove-themselves-one-reform?comment=0016

This here, for reference.

So. Okay. I just want to ask a question that I haven't seen anyone ask yet.

Assuming that these players were toxic in-chat. That that was what the issue was and what they were banned for, chat toxicity.

Assuming we're not giving this to intentional feeders or gameplay saboteurs.

If chat was the issue, and we can restrict chat................................

............... Why do we not just chat-lock accounts? Like, why is that not the punishment we'd go to?

If the only issue is chat and these players don't intentionally feed any more than the guy that's not talking going 1/11 mid meaning there's little correlation between chat toxicity and feeding, why have we not put in a level where you lock chat for players?

There is a mute function. In fact there is a mute all function, in which you cannot communicate with a player and they can't communicate with you, either. If you already have that in the game and additionally encourage the use of it to ignore chat toxicity as well as having a system of communication meant entirely for removing the necessity to have chat going so people can actually utilize the mute function and still communicate.

Why is that not a tier?

There's plenty of toxic people I've played with that have performed far beyond the nice people I've played with that would have been outright pleasant to deal with if they just. Didn't. Speak. And there's plenty of people that turn toxic in retaliation to other toxic people that get banned as well that are otherwise pleasant folk.

... So remove their in-game chat. If they aren't feeding and now they aren't talking, what's the issue?

Shouldn't perma-bans be reserved for players completely sabotaging gameplay as opposed to just being a cockhole every so often? Like, remove their ability to be a cockhole and now they're not a cockhole.

I'm not going to go into people being racist or offensive. Like whatever to them. This is purely just for raging. Can anyone explain why that's not the case/shouldn't be the case?

19 Comments

Audhulma8/1/2018, 5:50:13 AM6 votes

I believe the reasoning is that in the early years of LoL they found that people who had massively scaled chat bans (like hundreds of games of bans piled up) would just find other ways to act out on their rage and lack of self control. Basically if you chat ban somebody enough, they lose that outlet entirely, and instead eventually turn to feeding and other forms of griefing.

Baval8/1/2018, 5:56:27 AM5 votes

A player who cant communicate at all is a liability to the team.

Also, they dont deserve a lesser punishment.

PaffWasTaken8/1/2018, 6:14:51 AM2 votes

I'm pretty sure the reason why Riot is unbanning accounts is not because they wanted to give them a second chance. Just like with the recent addition of some "refering" missions, I think this is an attempt to bring back more players to the game due to its alarming decline and depopularisation going even faster because of recent streamers and important figures of league expressing their dissatisfaction. so, since this "experimentation" is probably just to help a little the game's popularity, I doubt a lot that Riot will put additional restrictions to limit the after-effects of this decision.

Loboshl8/1/2018, 10:38:33 AM1 votes

I wanna go ahead and say this, Riot perma banning a account does NOTHING like at all. I've had over 5/6 accounts perma banned for being toxic when i was going threw high school just because i thought i was better and deserved diamond, you think i would learn after the first ban no. and still am getting bans here and there but it takes a solid weeek or so to get back to main elo so i dont see how this teaches me to be respectful to shitters? i play to win and if they are the reason im not winning ima let em know.

Fireman Teemo8/1/2018, 5:37:51 AM1 votes

Who knows

VermillionWolf8/1/2018, 3:19:39 PM1 votes

I mean, heroes of the storm already does this. I have a friend who piled up a 4 month chat restrict in HoTS, he plays normally. Legit now that he cant type in chat he plays normally.

im still toxic8/1/2018, 5:58:25 AM1 votes

THIS. YESSSS. I'm a toxic piece of shit don't get me wrong, but I never understood perma banning toxicity. I feel like perma's should be saved for like death threats sure, racism as well maybe, but outside of that no chat based things. Perma bans should be reserved for people who ruin games for reasons that Riot can't easily fix. You can't really "fix" inters or trolls besides banning them or punishing them. Toxicity though just remove their chat and boom problem solved. It's that easy, and with all the pings and half the player base already not using chat, why isn't this an alternative to just outright banning people. The problem of toxicity can be easily fixed by the click of a button on the player's side, and a few lines of code by Riot. So why not just fix it instead of banning a huge portion your playerbase, who for sure could benefit from not typing and not being an asshole, but clearly care about the game a ton.

Marothennan8/1/2018, 10:27:48 AM1 votes

Actually, it seems like people that inted also get unbanned