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Is it a coincidence that I knew which side would win in both VS events?

Real Sexy Yoona·6/30/2018, 4:04:24 AM·40 votes·14,652 views

I don't think so.

I am aware that the current VS event isn't over yet but I'm pretty sure there will not be a turn around. The reason why Riot didn't use a bar (to show which side is winning and by how much) this year was because they wanted to keep it more competitive and less obvious which side is going to win. I'll be fair and give Riot some props on that. For those who don't know, people on the side of order kinda felt demoralized last year because the visual bar made it very clear that chaos was going to win by a large margin. Regardless, I am pretty sure Chaos is going to win and people who are joining now will see that Chaos is winning and would chose it for the blue essence incentive- which is completely fine.

Contrary to the popular opinion, blocks of text doesn't always mean baby rage or ranting. I'm fascinated with what I'm about to post and I hope you do too. I am ready for the down votes but I just think that IMO, the VS events are naturally unfair for the order side and I don't think there can be a solution to fix it.
So I am not asking for a change from Riot. I'm not complaining at all. I just want to discuss the natural tendency that people have when choosing sides :)

Take a look at Riven and Yasuo . Even though there are arguably more Yasuo mains than Riven mains, I am pretty sure there are more people who hate Yasuo than people who hate Riven. He appears more in your solo que games and arguably has a more toxic kit. It is less clear withDarius vs Garen but I still think that even in this case, there are more players who hate Darius as a champion than Garen and find him more oppressive in game. Anyways... So the fact that more people chose Yasuo over Riven had something to do with the thematic of the VS events that superseded their initial stance on the the champions themselves. (Quick side note, If Riven was on the Chaos side and Yasuo on the Order side, I speculate that Chaos would've won even harder)

**This makes me think that there are more people who play league that genuinely like the idea of chaos- being rebellious, free, badass, alpha, defiant, cool? and different? more than the idea of order which goes along the line of obeying and accepting authority, restraint, control, not being part of "the movement", being default, normal, and goody two shoes? **

I even thought about how video games (although it's becoming more accepted today) and being a gamer is closer to the idea of being defiant and separating yourself from the norms of society. In the mind of the players, the idea of order and being restrained could unconsciously connect to the ideals and opinions that parents, schools, and the media has about video games and us gamers, who play video games. Even today, I think most parents dislike the idea of video games and would rather have us exercise or find a hobby that is more active, educational, or musical etc. Haven't we all had a fight with our parents because of video games? Parents are a symbol of authority and order in a household and in our lives. And because we live to experience that or have done so in the past, that idea of order being hostile or opposing to gaming is engraved in players. So then when players login to the client and find this VS event of "Order vs Chaos"... hmmmm Maybe I'm crazy and is overthinking it. I will take every criticism and remark. Sorry if you feel like you just wasted your time reading this shit.

60 Comments

Åeolus6/30/2018, 4:12:56 AM29 votes

You sound like you major in sociology.

ModWuks6/30/2018, 4:20:00 AM14 votes

Statistically speaking, a person has a 25% chance of selecting both winners completely randomly.

Stars Shaper6/30/2018, 9:09:10 AM4 votes

If you present a dictator to any teenage/youngster they will go with the terrorists asap doens't matter what they say.

Riot decided that chaos would have to win in each Vs event. It was clear since they released the VOs that they preferred Chaos over Order going for the stupehd Garun tyrant vs the cool Darius rebel.

I still sided with Garen because anarchy is just idiotic.

flibitydoo6/30/2018, 5:14:52 AM3 votes

I mean here's a past event where warmonger/chaos was an option

http://i.imgur.com/gjhuuth.jpg

only in brazil did winter's claw actually come out as the winner. Every other region went for the peaceful ashe option or evil elite lissandra.

I don't think it's about chaos or order, I think it's about evil vs good. And also which champion you like more (sej is wayy less popular than ashe and lissandra was cool and new at the time).

edit:there's also one crack theory that the reason why the watcher's won was because their icon looked like an ovary but I don't think that's why it won

Sugarlicious6/30/2018, 11:10:47 AM2 votes

I'll tell you why I chose Garen. I might be the minority here, but here's my reason. After Darius wins, what's left? Anarchy, no advancements, no purpose, nothing. People are likely to turn against each other. Moreover, he would either have to take over the role of a leader, which is against his very idea, or kill those who try to become leaders, which again leaves him in charge. Simply because it's human nature, somebody will always want more power, so the very idea of society without a leader -or leading organization - is flawed.

On the other hand, Garen might be a tyrant, but I prefer the tyranny of a smart man over democracy any day. Why? Because the majority of people in the world are average/under influence of their environment or religion/don't want to say stupid but not smart enough to think critically. That's how we got Trump, that's how my country has a president that everybody hates, that's how Turkey has a president that wants to remove evolution from education, etc. Democracy has never been fair simply because not everybody deserves a vote, the votes are easily manipulated, and the only way to kill democracy is through the tyranny of one smart man. Assuming that Garen is smart, I'll take him any day, not just over Darius but over our own actual systems.

420 grams6/30/2018, 4:41:16 AM2 votes

I think it's because more people play the chaos champions. Yasuo and Darius both have higher pick rates than riven and garen

Blu 16/30/2018, 4:21:12 PM2 votes

99% sure it's mostly teenagers who think chaos/evil is cool, and red+black = maximum cool

SugeMinPikk6/30/2018, 4:40:59 AM2 votes

With whom are you concurring? Do you know what concur means?

Jaesam6/30/2018, 4:39:30 AM2 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

goodiesohhi6/30/2018, 1:49:15 PM2 votes

Edgy Edgelords. Miles Edgeworth Edge Investiagtions. Defy noxus and taste ur own blood on the edge of my edgy axe. DARIUS HAS TH EDGGGGE.

Edge.

Tegash6/30/2018, 5:31:00 AM2 votes

During the first Order v Chaos event, I picked Riven because I found Yasuo's brand of "Chaos" trite. It wasn't new, it wasn't interesting, and he sounded like a typical cartoon villain bent on destroying the world. Riven, of course, potentially was the greater of two evils, but at least she was interesting.

Darius v Garen on the other hand? Darius, all the way. Ordinarily I'd be against anarchy, because all anarchy does is create a power vacuum. But when the other option is a merciless tyrant who thinks Utopia Justifies the Means, I'll take anarchy because anything is better than one nation under Garen.

togapika6/30/2018, 3:27:47 PM1 votes

I just like Lions best

YHWH Adonai6/30/2018, 3:33:29 PM1 votes

Well, it's not exactly true. There is also many players like me:

I love Garen, I love God Garen design, especially the lion, (which is even more beautiful than many characters in game). I think I prefer his model over Darius. I prefer Demacia over Noxus too, since Noxus is like some kind of cancer, attacking other countries and making people suffer for Noxian greed, spilling blood everywhere.

BUT

I like design of Noxian red icons better and for chosing sides you get basically only different icons, everything else will be similar. There is a lot of people who knows the lore, likes some champion better, likes some skin or model better, but still chosing sides because of rewards they can get for it.

Irelia Bot6/30/2018, 4:37:03 PM1 votes

Your guessing does not matter

Now to go find some mint Oreo Cookie dough icecream.

Critmaster Garen6/30/2018, 4:44:31 PM1 votes

im pretty sure a major and deciding chunk of players did this:

  • i want 1000 blue essence
  • more people are playing darius, darius is stronger than garen and more popular because of it.

-> i vote for darius, because im most likely to get the essence.

i have seen so many people who voted for darius with exactly this mindset.

this is imo what will decide the outcome. it has little to do with the thematic itself. the mistake riot made was to put a 1000 blue essence tag on the prize, because it automatically makes people gravitate towards one option, instead of just going with their gut feeling.

Kirigaya Kaz6/30/2018, 6:31:13 PM1 votes

I think the garen icon is kind of pale bland, if they'd put some blue in it or added some imperial purple I might have gone for Garen instead...also Darius belly rubs his wolf which decided it for me.

Automated Riven6/30/2018, 9:46:10 PM1 votes

I disagree. I think people who are not mains will choose based on which champion they like more, which has little to do with (outside of corner case situations) how well they like laning against him. I feel like Darius is gonna win over garen. Because frankly he just looks better.

SociopathFriend6/30/2018, 11:05:43 PM1 votes

People love chaos because it can be anything while order prevents change. Chaos and personal freedom almost always wins over order and group mentality.

It is inherently more difficult to hold to what is rather than what could be.

But beyond that- compare the number of heroes in modern media that: Break the rules, stand on their own, and decide what is right based on themselves. Vs the number of heroes that: Follow the rules, work with an organization, and accept others telling them what is right.

It's not even close. Chaos vs Order is the difference between being the hero or the villain- or another way- winner vs loser. The lone hero always wins when he goes up against 'the man'.

Envonyx6/30/2018, 11:08:57 PM1 votes

Personally I played yasuo more than riven so I picked yas. When it comes to the new event, I hate garen and darius equally. So it was a hard choice. Garen's skin looked cooler but his quotes makes him sound like so egotistical it triggers me. So I sided with darius, as your idea suggests I preferred the idea of freedom. However, I wouldnt mind following the order's of a benevolent king, but Garen fails to make me want to help his side.

Jinzo Torrance7/1/2018, 12:23:40 AM1 votes

Not really, Garen quote portrays him as a dictator who executes people who try to oppose him so I chose Darius even if he seems he wants mindless world annihilation throughout war. Also Darius has a DoT so it's a plus.

Ryze on Roids7/1/2018, 1:02:18 AM1 votes

I don't think the concept of order v chaos should change. What SHOULD change is what these 2 concepts represent. As you said, the order side brings total authoritarianism to everything while chaos bring wreckoning and destruction everywhere it goes. Instead of these themes, it may be better for order to be the peace side where instead of bringing "perfect unity" to Runeterra, it simply brings peace in place, with chaos being the opposite, wishing to bring destruction but not in pure anarchy in the way that we have seen it portrayed as. While chaos might still have a very slight edge, there is definitely a difference between pure tyranny vs pure anarchy and peace vs carnage.

Another thing that should change are the champions that are the ambassadors of each concept, especially in champion variation. I definitely agree that Darius and Yasuo are generally more hated than Garen and Riven, but the problem is that all 4 are also incredibly POPULAR champs as well. Of course, Riot will naturally only make these kinds of things for overrated champions, but you can still use rival champions effectively.

Something else to keep in mind is champion variation. Aside from being very popular, what do Yasuo, Riven, Darius, and Garen all have in common? They're all fighters. What I mean by "variations" are different roles for each champions (mages, tanks, assassins, etc.) instead of all these fighter champs, even if it becomes a theme for it. As well as this, the non fighter champions tend to be less popular and therefore players won't have as much of a bias (unless they main the said champions). A perfect example of this would be KassadinKassadin vs Malzahar, with Kassadin representing order and Malzahar representing chaos, since Kassadin wants to keep away the void while Malzahar wishes to bring it. Since neither of these 2 champions are particularly "hated" (considering neither of them are particularly meta at current moment), it would make sense for THEM to have a VS event as well, both being mages. Now, the order vs chaos mindset comes in again with this. But the difference is, the concept of "order and chaos" aren't the same as now. As previously stated, chaos would still have a slight edge. But the factor that Kassadin is slightly more popular among the fans balances that out, to where the players either think "Man, I like Kassadin but I also want chaos" or "Man, I really want chaos but I also think Kassadin is way cooler than Malzahar".

If the concepts of order and chaos changed and lesser influential champions were implemented, it would be less "unfair" for players participating in either side.

BigBellBrute7/1/2018, 2:37:45 AM1 votes

I never get demoralized if the side I pick is behind. I pick the one with the best stuff.

Hyquiem7/1/2018, 2:44:15 AM1 votes

Nah but players play darius more since he’s broken. Unlike Garen who can be beaten.

Antelath7/1/2018, 4:01:06 PM1 votes

Freewill is but a pest, Ready to be sent to oblivion, God King Garen is the Soul of this World, You either stand with him, Or burn alongside the unbelievers.

https://imgur.com/a/9mCIXfi ~Choose the Light, Or Die with Chaos.

Modl Ryden l7/1/2018, 7:22:07 PM1 votes

Naaah, I chose Darius because he and the doge dance til they're dead.

Garen's boring and only screams about how right he is about everything. He's also a poser and copied Dragonslayer Tristana's dance, so it already feels less valuable.

Chembaron Yamada6/30/2018, 5:40:18 AM1 votes

I agree with your post, except for one thing that always disturbs me when the boards are discussing this topic.

Why call it "unfair"? What you are basically saying is that it is obvious that chaos will win because more players have a natural preference for this side. That doesn't make it unfair, it is a completely fair voting. If you are going to vote the new president and it is obvious from the start who the people will actually vote for, does that make the election unfair?

Unfair is just the wrong term here. Everyone has a vote to give in this event. That there are more players naturally supporting one side over the other doesn't make it unfair.

But since we already had the chaos vs order event 2 times now, it really is time to change the subject in the VS events. Let us vote for other thematics next, please.

Demented Gag6/30/2018, 6:15:42 AM1 votes

In the Yasuo vs Riven event I was going to pick Riven (since I hate her less then Yasuo), but Yasuo had better rewards. If I remember correctly, Order's chest had a chance of dropping Hextexch Annie skin shard, which I already had.

Flemman6/30/2018, 9:43:18 AM1 votes

event hextech loot are better for chaos :p (skin shard over essence ^^)

anyway, the thing that anoy me the most is the mission either poorly worded or coded badly.

Just today, i had 2 of them not updating while doing the requirement : win a pvp match (no map mentioned) with a demacian on the team => win in blind 3v3 with a garen on the team but not completion win a pvp match on SR under 30 min => guess the 20 min win in urf don't count

It's not the first time that mission didn't work as intended, hopefully it's the last time we face this problem

ModJikker6/30/2018, 11:42:07 AM1 votes

In other words, people are more prone to follow their human nature?

BootyHunterRengo6/30/2018, 11:59:41 AM1 votes

I think you're kinda wrong.

Even though there's a lot of complaining on the boards about stuff like Yasuo (and sometimes Darius) both are still having a larger fanbase imo. Riven is mechanically intensive to pull of if she's not in a good state meta wise, AA/animation canceling is rather hard to learn and drives some people away from her imo. Garen on the other hand has a reputation of being bland and boring, full AD can be fun but is not too viable. On the other hand you have Yasuo which resonates with many (low elo) players. same with Darius. Both are the types of champions to go in and win a 1v1, 1v2, maybe 1v3. (Riven ofc is the same, but some things hinder her popularity mentioned above) So i think these factors also play into this. And that the "stuff" of Chaos(icons, skins,...) looks better than Order, which is of course subjetively.

DexterousGecko6/30/2018, 12:32:21 PM1 votes

Ah, I remember fist year college. Thinking way too much about things that really had no meaning at all.

Madjack016/30/2018, 1:17:41 PM1 votes

And here I am having chosen Riven because I like boobs and having chosen Darius because he's a cool dude.

I guess my 5 years of studying individual and collective behaviour paid off.

TekkenPlayer6/30/2018, 1:24:43 PM1 votes

Alright, pseudo-sociologist pants on. The baby boomers were given very good wages - at some cases given the ability to afford raising two families, and like any parent, they subconsciously want their children to replicate the same level / better level of security than they have experienced. They too know the complexities and fluidity of culture. In the late 60s, people started to build off of issues regarding civil rights and the worth of an individual in a more Kantian manner. Tradition was seen as the antithesis of such ideas, another word for tyranny in a sense. The younger generation had grown accustomed to the idea of shaping our own destinies and identities even though they were shaped for us through social media and fixations on buying things we don't need. The Z generation developed the same obsessions; however, rates of depression and neuroticism in general increased over time. And interestingly enough, both are highest in western culture. Before the z generation was born, people who didn't find any importance on the nuclear family are raising children. Video games are both our babysitters and alternatives to real life (which encourages responsibility and making yourself miserable). Our social hierarchy is absolutely cluster fucked to the point where chaos is not only natural but a "right"

(I've been up for 3 days)

TheRiddum6/30/2018, 1:32:43 PM1 votes

Yes it's basic math. 50% chance of getting the answer right botht imes.

Jerry SeinfeId6/30/2018, 2:26:41 PM1 votes

Aside from the whole link to parents this all seems fairly obvious.

The only reason I picked order last time was cuz fuck yasuo and now. Because I can't let ma guy garen down.

God kind Darius looks cooler too. The axe movement is so sweet and he doesn't have floating shoulder pads on his shoulderpads. The main reason to get God kind garen is for the spin.