Riot encourages trolling, intentional feeding and afking/leaving

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Create an A.I than can detect intentional feeding and have it watch every reported game.

And how do you set the provisions to detect for intentional feeding? Sure, you can easily pick out the person who builds nothing but tears and boots, but that's not the only case out there. How do you make sure you aren't picking up the poor soul who just got his ass handed to him by constant ganks in an already losing lane?

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And how do they stop everyone from spamming "punish" this time around? That's the main thing keeping the Tribunal from being a viable option.

Like they do in QA for all manufacturing etc....

Take a random sampling and if you are found guilty of it, you are banned from the system.

Also, there is no need for reward for going to tribunal, that was the problem with tribunal before ....people did it to get rewarded for higfh tribunal scroe which causes people to just punish.... I would find it entertaining to honestly and fairly evaluate games for hours on end with no reward needed

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And how do they stop everyone from spamming "punish" this time around? That's the main thing keeping the Tribunal from being a viable option.

That is an issue, I won't deny it.

Best I can suggest is a system where you must view at least one of the replay videos in full per game. This won't be unlike advertisement systems where you have to watch the whole video to move on and have no control over whether it's skipped. However, once either is fully viewed, you then get control of playback to review anything you found questionable. Watching either video fully will unlock playback control for both videos. Replays must be watched for each game in the case.

Obviously it's not perfect, and it's a time consuming process. But, by encouraging the manual review though forced video watching, it makes the spam of the punish button more difficult to perform by means similar to captcha.

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Why make it automated ?

There is no way other than a pattern of reports to suggest it. They hand out bans for verbal abuse too often, they should have to watch EVERY game they want to ban somebody from and see both sides.

Especially permanent bans, permanent bans should HAVE to be watched all the way through beginning to end to place on somebody, they dont need an automated system, they already have the replaces accessible thats enough to bring back tribunal and allow people to pivot to "No, the verbal abuse was over the top but the guy at the other end deserved punishment too" .

There are streamers even who legitimately feed on purpose, or afk and play other games while still in the game and they never see punishment. Riot is watching their game circle the drain and they do not care

You right bud, lets just make a team for it when everoyne reports for something this team checks, oh wow 20000 games checked later and now they're back up on at least 50000 more games.

And then you're next excuse will be why cant they just hire more people, because that'll cost too much time for when the automated system does right 99% of the time, just because people feel its wrong because they think "them being toxic first means i can be toxic too!" When in reality it doesn't work and they go to the boards wondering why they got banned and everyone tells them because they were toxic.

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Why make it automated ?

There is no way other than a pattern of reports to suggest it. They hand out bans for verbal abuse too often, they should have to watch EVERY game they want to ban somebody from and see both sides.

Especially permanent bans, permanent bans should HAVE to be watched all the way through beginning to end to place on somebody, they dont need an automated system, they already have the replaces accessible thats enough to bring back tribunal and allow people to pivot to "No, the verbal abuse was over the top but the guy at the other end deserved punishment too" .

There are streamers even who legitimately feed on purpose, or afk and play other games while still in the game and they never see punishment. Riot is watching their game circle the drain and they do not care

Why automated?

How else are they supposed to handle the sheer number of reports that they get every day? You are aware of how many people play this game, right?

Do you want the game to return to the toxic cespool is used to be, looked down by basically the entire gaming community?

They have a rule system for how to act in chat. If you break it, you get punished. Break it too many times, and you get kicked from the game. There is no science here, no reason to watch people.

If you run a red light, you can't tell the officer "Oh, but someone else ran it before me, I shouldn't get stopped". The same thing applies here.

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Sadly, there's no means for an automated system to detect this. It needs to be entirely human judgment.

You may have seen my suggestion on implementing the tribunal once more, but only for intentional feeding/griefing gameplay. Leave the machine for the chat stuff, that's easy enough even without the ability to read context.

I'll combine the two posts in question, so you can see it all on page 1.

wow thats even better tbh, just bring tribunal back for gameplay offenses, force them to watch atleast one preview of highlights and have a system where random tribunal judgements are audited.....

It seems so simple and yet..... I doubt riot even wants to try to tackle this ...

They've actually discussed this very topic before, they dont think it happens very much, not in any number necessary for them to combat anyway. They have suggested that we instead just accept the ocassional loss due to percieved gameplay offenses. I dont know if you remember Riot Lyte but his position was people do not feed on purpose, they do not lose on purpose, people find it more rewardiong and entertaining to win and he was sure nearly all players do their best to win in all circumstance.

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The huge undertaking is proving the bans, not dishing them out. That's the part no one has figured out without putting thousands of man hours on it.

Do you remember the old Tribunal? Not sure if you were around back then, but it used to be that reports were grouped up and shown to other players, and those players voted on the case. It started out well, but eventually people just started hitting the "punish" button, and since everyone was doing it no one could be caught for falsely punishing a player. Everyone had high case accuracy because they always agreed with the majority of players.

This is what would happen if we tried using report numbers alone. People are shitty and will always end up doing this, and League isn't the first example. There are modifiers we could put on it, like report accuracy, but the only sure fire way to make sure this doesn't happen is to have real, impartial people take time out of their day to look at replays. Just looking at the size of the NA playerbase should tell you why this isn't a viable option for quickly punishing gameplay related behavior.

Do you remember tribunal? The only games that made it there were ones with verbal abuse reports. I looked for HOURS for games where the person who was reported was reported for intentional feeding but it was so insanely rare.

I started ONLY looking at items, and KDA and punishing based on those statistics.... yes I remember tribunal and I didnt give flying F what people said, I only pressed punish on people whose items and scores are what I did not want in my game.

If they cannot get a fair punishment system for the CAUSE of verbal abuse the same as verbal abuse, then the punishment system has to be disbanded.