Do you consider League of legends to be a sport?

Samuel Murphy·9/5/2019, 1:58:49 PM·9 votes·8,064 views

The only argument against it being a sport that I can think of is that Riot owns it and they can change the rules.

But really, The NFL owns football and they can change the rules anytime they want.

The NFL does not change the rules because spectators would not be happy and would stop watching. They want money, so they keep the game the same.

Riot DOES make changes because spectators like it. And they want money.

I would also argue that change is a skill test for players. There was a time when Markmen ADC's were not viable. Some Pro Botlaners suffered and even took hiatus. While others with a more flexible champion pool thrived.

If not, tell me your arguments, I think its a really cool topic and would love to see other peoples thoughts! If you think it needs to be labeled as "Esport" what makes you draw that distinction?

33 Comments

Rαy9/5/2019, 5:55:23 PM6 votes

I consider League to be a disease at this point.

AIQ9/5/2019, 2:38:02 PM5 votes

So simply put a sport is an "athletic" activity generally done out doors. That requires some sort of physical ability.

Moving your fingers does not fall in this category. A good example to compare to is Chess call the "Gentleman's Sport" because it's not physically demanding, but demands a lot from your mind. League is no where near the strategic/intelligence level required to be a master of it, but it does require mechanics, reaction time, and cooperation.

Mixing the two you get an E-sport "Electronic sport" because it is a small mixture of both. You are more working your mind than your body, but you are still cooperating and testing skill.

Taking it to a basic level, nothing existed prior to video games similar to them, therefore a new term needed to be created. Esport just makes the most sense.

As far as change goes, Riot updates league to keep it as fresh as they can. To their detriment IMO they do not want to actually balance the game. Bringing in and out champions as they please. Balance changes "suck" because Riot has no intention to make them "good" (in whoevers opinion). It's not change for the sake of change though, they have the agenda they want to fulfill, they have their goals.

Personally I think that if Riot wanted to. League could be near perfect balance in months. It's clear who's weak and who's strong. Who's simple and whos not. What can be removed to make it easier, like unneeded ratios, and what can be added.

These changes though keep league feeling fresh if only artificially, but it's been working. I don't know what would happen if league was stabilized in a healthy state. I don't think Riot want's to find out though.

A game like chess is in a near perfect balance state the only advantage is who goes first since they start with Tempo. A White player can win every single game 100% of the time if they know every counter move to black. No one does, so this one flaw is not exploitable. The levers that are always changing then are the skill of players only making it so that the is changing and metas change, but not due to the dead developers lol.

In the NFL the health and skill is all that changes the game. While yes rules against certain tackles and safety rules exist, these normally don't have much impact on the game itself. The game only has a few basic limiting factors like active members etc.

IT would be interesting to see if Riot focus on balancing the game entirely and left it alone if it what would happen, but video games and esports tend to have bad track records when that happens. Even games like SC2 and AoE cannot stand the test of time League would probably be no different. Smash bros is a bit of an exception, but it's highly skill dependent. And it still is not near the level of League.

Sorry long explanation, just interested me was all.

Xplosion1019/5/2019, 2:20:36 PM5 votes

lol no way. Esports in general should under no circumstances be considered "sports"

Kenneky9/5/2019, 2:17:19 PM4 votes

This is very subjective question, everyone will have a different answer to that question. As for me, I never consider video games (or any game in general) a sport. Yes Esports exist, but even with that I still do not believe LoL is a sport as the rules can change at any given time. I mostly play games for fun, not to compete with others or to have a higher rank. Sometimes I wish Esports wasn't a thing as we all know what that led to.

Worst Brad Japan9/5/2019, 3:51:50 PM3 votes

Video games aren't sports.

inb4 video games appear on sports channels (irrelevant and dumb argument) inb4 random organization classifies it as sport (random organizations are irrelevant, no matter how much money the elite pump into them)

Busty Demoness9/6/2019, 12:35:14 AM3 votes

I don't consider it a sport or esport at this point.

Bowling is considered a sport despite a lack of direct physical activity. That doesn't mean League will qualify despite sharing that lack of physical activity.

What keeps League from being a sport, as I see it, is how much Riot changes the game. Any other SPORT has a set of basic rules and usually only goes through small changes each year (although some of those can be wide reaching). Riot has added so much each year that there's less to be consistent on which is probably the biggest measure of skill when it comes to a sport. The other problem is that Riot has also made many changes to reduce the skill gap between floor and ceiling. It's at a point where one mistake can be extremely costly. This kind of change eliminates the need for consistency because the target shifts from multiple targets to just one. In this case, League went from "Tower, CS and KDA" to "Mostly KDA". Farming isn't as valuable as it was and towers can't really help you any more. So winning in KDA now often means you're winning the lane by default.

Cloud2739/5/2019, 11:34:23 PM3 votes

If there's no rng I consider it a sport. Otherwise no. In order for something to be a sport it has to be fair for everyone, but the rng in LOL makes that impossible. Even something as simple as who gets the first pick/ban I consider rng, and it makes a HUGE difference in competitive games.

Emperor Volibear9/10/2019, 5:24:54 AM2 votes

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The only argument against it being a sport that I can think of is that Riot owns it and they can change the rules.

But really, The NFL owns football and they can change the rules anytime they want.

The NFL does not change the rules because spectators would not be happy and would stop watching. They want money, so they keep the game the same.

Riot DOES make changes because spectators like it. And they want money.

I would also argue that change is a skill test for players. There was a time when Markmen ADC's were not viable. Some Pro Botlaners suffered and even took hiatus. While others with a more flexible champion pool thrived.

If not, tell me your arguments, I think its a really cool topic and would love to see other peoples thoughts! If you think it needs to be labeled as "Esport" what makes you draw that distinction?

No comparing it to sports is a fucking joke. A bunch of nerds playing this game for 14 hours a day does not compare to real sports

Snowleaf9/6/2019, 12:01:04 AM2 votes

I do not consider league or any other video game a sport. To me it falls under competition. There are very skilled competitors but they are not atheletes.

Sirsir9/6/2019, 3:25:20 AM2 votes

Sports are physical in nature. Games are more mental. E-sports are video games with a proper competitive scene.

Some people call Billiards a sport, it's not, it's a mental game, similar to chess. Nascar is (supposedly) an endurance sport.

Akali Prime9/6/2019, 5:07:09 AM2 votes

no. its not a sport. it is however a very deadly form of cancer i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy

RipReviveFkRito9/6/2019, 8:38:06 AM2 votes

it's AIDS.

Jaspers9/6/2019, 9:01:36 AM2 votes

No, it's a game. I don't really consider Darts or Snooker sports either (they are pub games). You can be extremely skilled at them and some governments might class the players as 'athletes' for tax purposes however part of the definition of a sport is "activity involving physical exertion" and I don't think they qualify for that bit, many video games certainly don't.

Motorsports are in a weird place in this however.

Toxic Teeto9/6/2019, 10:19:03 AM2 votes

No. It's a playground for trolls.

TwitchInMyPants9/6/2019, 3:23:09 AM1 votes

I would say yes and no

Legally yes, there are professional players that need VISAs and easy ways to travel in order to compete at international events. In the spirit of competition, yes League is a very competitive game that has a lot of well defined standards that qualify it. In the traditional definition of a sport, there's nothing athletic about it so I'd say no.

League has enough consistent standards to be a sport but the thing is that the way they change it is like changing from Baseball to Cricket to Soccer every couple years. There's still a field and a ball but at some point all the changes make it unrecognizable to the original intent. I don't think this disqualifies it under any definition but League will eventually die, traditional sports can last hundreds of years since the spirit of the sport really doesn't change wheras what is the spirit of League will change every few years with the cumulative changes... unless you define that as the game being just about killing the enemy base I guess.

I think the spirit of League is partially that, but is mostly about strategy with your runes, items, and macro and battles between champions. Given how its become all about fighting, items are not flexible, a limited number of champions are viable at the competitive level, and macro is of lower consequence, most of the strategy is in the draft and its effectively become an action game. The original spirit of League was not an action centric game IMO.

Pandeonor9/6/2019, 11:52:57 AM1 votes

Seen from the type it could be considered to fit into the same category as shooting sports: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_sports

"Shooting sports is a collective group of competitive and recreational sporting activities involving proficiency tests of accuracy, precision and speed in shooting — the art of using various types of ranged weapons....

Where "weapons" could be changed into champions ["....art of using various types of ranged champions...."]. Or another example mentioned for predominantely coordination sport is ** billard** or another example is darts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#Definition

You can call "soapbox racing" a sport or not. It´s not, but in the end any formula-racing is called "sport": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorsport

Even neither olympic or any real world series.

So - we can technically call e-sport to be a "sport" as well. That is just a matter of doing so or not.

But yes, League is company-based and in addition it is questionable for me if changing rules all the time is really how "sports" work or should work [even in motorsports rules changes from year to year too]. In the end for me personally League is more "sport" then any motorsport, it´s more competitive and less luck/company-dependent as you can´t drive a high-tuned op-Ferrari. So - who "does" motorsport [the humans or the ones tuning cars?]? The popularity I would consider much higher then for Darts.

It could be ended or in other terms it will most likely not be played in 40 years from now. This is for me the reason why I am a bit sceptic about it. But if we would accept e-sports as a whole only short term running type of sports - why not. ;)

DBS Ronovon9/6/2019, 12:32:00 PM1 votes

If esports is trying to be legitimate, then League of Legends discredits that legitimacy completely.

You can't have comeback mechanics in a sport, and esports is the attempt to make video games competitive, but the very existence of a comeback mechanic negates the need for skill and rewards losers.

Changing rules is also a problem. Not as big of a problem as changing the game design, but still a problem.

If Riot wanted to make League a genuine esport, it could be done, but the LCS wouldn't be the only people in the spotlight, MMR would cease to be a mystery or cease to exist, and the player engagement algorithm needs to also go away and stop unfairly stacking teams based on bullshit MMR and player engagement.

BeatzBoyFTW9/6/2019, 5:54:24 AM1 votes

Is everyone forgetting the point of "E-" in the word E-sport?

Like I don't see e-mail being called mailing? You don't see a postman coming to pick up your mail, send it to a post office just to be delivered at the person's doorstep.

afmghost9/6/2019, 12:43:26 PM1 votes

I mean I think of gaming as a sport the same way I see chess or poker as a sport. It's...complicated to say the least.

True Garen9/10/2019, 5:02:49 AM1 votes

But really, The NFL owns football and they can change the rules anytime they want.

NFL does not own football. They happen to be the only major football league in North America right now. Once upon a time, there was a short-lived USFL (and they even had some slightly different rules) .

There was also an AFL (that ALSO had slightly different rules) that merged with the NFL. Also WFL, UFL, and XFL, now defunct American Football leagues.

There are American Football Leagues in other countries. And of course, people play football every day, not under the auspices of the NFL. College and HS football also use slightly different rules.

Football is a sport. NFL Football could be said to be a kind of football - but not the whole thing.

The analogy here might be, if we consider mindsports, then MOBA might be a sport - and then LoL would be a kind of MOBA.

The Olympics can feature competitions in American Football. They could offer competitions in Chess. They CAN'T have an Olympic LoL competition. They COULD, perhaps someday, have an Olympic MOBA competition.

The definition of what is a sport has legal ramifications. For example https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34320201

Just because something is competitive, does not make it a sport.