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I'm sick and tired of melee carries double standards

DanaoIxUv·2/28/2019, 10:25:55 AM·22 votes·4,988 views

"Aatox was reworked for being too stat check" "Tryndamere is unhealthy design with 0 mechanics" "Nasus is just point and clicking you to death and you can't do anything about it"

Every melee carry has to work their ass off to get damage out, just take Fiora for example. She has to hit the vitals to do any significant amount of damage and survive in a fight, vitals you can just hug a wall with so she can't hit them at all.

"Fiora is healthy and good" Well yeah no shit, half her damage is tied to the enemy being a dumbass.

But then Tryndamere comes around "REEEEEE CAN'T DO ANYTHING REWORK THIS SHIT REEEEEEEEEEE"

You know what? I would fight a Tryndamere over a Vayne or Kog or Tristana any day of the week

You can do stuff against Tryndamere there is room to outplay Tryndamere, his slow is conditional, in the early he is heavily rage dependant to do anything, he is shit in teamfights without summs, he is melee, he can get kited easily, you can itemize against him now that all the true damage is gone.

you know what you can do against Vayne?

Ah yeah right her point and click DISPLACEMENT can stun or not, you know what happens when Tryn whiffs his slow? Ye get your AD decreased by a little.

Vayne can't get kited, Vayne destroys whole teams in teamfights, you can't itemize against her, there is nothing to do other than to kill Vayne, it's the LITERAL definition of stat check, the LITERAL definition. No mechanical outplay what so ever

What can you do against Tristana? Ah yeah right you can dodge her rocket jump damage, DAMN what a healthy non-stat check kit! 0 Skill shots, everything is point and click but again unlike Tryndamere she is godlike in teamfights and has insane range. Either kill her or she kills you, wow what a design!

And now comes Kog! The original ball of stats that you either kill or your team is dead in 4 seconds

The same shit can be said about Twitch / Jinx / Kalista, all of these champs you need to kill before they kill you, there is nothing else you can do against them. They are all ranged Master Yi's but nobody cares!

But when it comes to melees OH NO! They need to have their damage locked behind 12 mechanics and 3 skillshots look at Darius. For him to do anything in a teamfight he has to get 5 stacks, if he is not able to get those he is a walking target dummy, his Q efficiency can be reduced by a fuckton Not only that but he has to do all of that stuff while having no gap closer at all and being full melee range even with abilities

You look at Irelia and all her restrictions now after the rework, you look at Aatrox that has to hit multiple skillshots to deal any damage

there is NOTHING even coming close to that amount of mechanical counteprlay in the entire ADC roster

Closest ones are Draven and Ezreal

You look at the newer ADCs lik Kai'Sa and realize she has about the same mechanical outplay potential as Dr.Mundo

Both have stat passives Both have 1 skillshot (in Mundos case it's a huge part of his damage) Both have some generic AOE damage spell (in Kai'Sa case it's more efficient in a 1 v 1 without aiming anything) Both ults are instant abilities with stats slapped onto them

The only thing you can do for either of the champs is to dodge the skillshot, everything else is just stats and auto attacks but it doesn't matter for Kai'Sa because she is a ranged carry and the standard for ranged carries is lower than Mundos IQ.

There are ranged people that do the exact same shit their melee counterparts do but the melees are getting screamed at for not getting reworked and I'm sick and tired of hearing this shit over and over again.

If you want Tryndamere to be gone do the same with ranged auto attackers with the same mechanical counterplay as Tryn, shitty thing is that you would need to rework half the ADC roster if you wanted to do that

48 Comments

1000 AP One Shót2/28/2019, 11:19:17 AM10 votes

you're forgetting tryndamere literally goes invincible for 5 seconds, not to mention how his kit is made unhealthy by the raw amount of rng with his rage bar.

as for the adcs you mentioned, i do agree. Just think tryndamere is cancer as well

anatasjhsh012/28/2019, 11:07:29 AM9 votes

Well maybe because ADCs have to farm the entire game? Or maybe everyone and their mother can 1 shot them at 1 item? Maybe they don't have any good defense items? Tristana have 47% win rate she is dogshit rn, but I do agree with Vayne being absolutely broken I'm ad main and I ban her almost every game her doing 730 true dmg to a squishy target and being untouchable is stupid, and what do ADCs bring other than damage to the game? Nothing

2nd Chance2/28/2019, 1:37:31 PM9 votes

Okay

but everything you said about Tyrndamere is bull cuz good lord he really does need a rework and his kit is utter BS

Thefrostyviking2/28/2019, 3:10:37 PM8 votes

I mean......OP your entire rant is basically concluding into the idea that different standards apply for melee vs ranged and there is a unfair bias against ranged with Tryndamere as the example?

Dude what?

The reason melee must have more restrictions for damage compared to the average marksman is the fact that the average melee doesnt need a babysitter acting like a mobile fortress to keep them alive, the average marksman does.

Sure Kog and Ashe the old gen marksmen are stat checky, but they pay for this by pretty much being utterly useless 1v1 and nearly utterly helpless when dived on, unlike Tryndamere who is equally stat checky but way better on his own.

Vayne vs Fiora? Why bother comparing which is better or worse between aids and cancer? Last i heard they´re terrible and humanity was trying to find cures for both.

The only counterplay the average marksmen against a strong assassin, burst mage or strong fighter have is to pray to the heavens their support have the tools to keep them safe against the present enemy team otherwise its a 15-30 minutes grey screen countdown until the game ends, as Tryndamere you can at least hope to scale to the point where very few champs in the game can ever hope to fight you 1v1 thus be useful that way.

The Highest Noon2/28/2019, 2:20:16 PM8 votes

I was with you until the "Fiora has to work her ass off" part. The amount of work she has to do is drastically lessened by the fact that she has both the tools and sustains to achieve that damage lol

Sir Saltarin2/28/2019, 11:25:02 AM7 votes

Adcs bad

Melees good

Busty Kunoichi2/28/2019, 12:02:05 PM5 votes

With all of the mobility in this game, the lack of protection from turrets, and the lack of defensive items for ranged AD champs; I'm sick of hearing how their range trumps anything melee champions can do.

Vulkus I2/28/2019, 2:17:40 PM4 votes

Yes ADC is broken, everyone knows that.

Mr Bob Boberson2/28/2019, 2:41:46 PM4 votes

I can't accept that ADCs are broken and lack counterplay compared to other classes so me downvote

Daddy ReTaric2/28/2019, 2:49:51 PM3 votes

Defend Tryndamere like Trynd is no where not stat check himself. You probly play him and can't faceroll people anymore so you complain about ADC assuming they are worst than Trynd when ADC ranged are squishy and don't have agency to build real defense.

TwitchInMyPants2/28/2019, 3:16:22 PM1 votes

Just saying I've literally seen 0 people call Fiora "Healthy and good" since her rework. People have hated her as fervantly as Irelia, Akali, or Yasuo. Her hate just fell off since people just got used to the fact she has a move that makes her invincible and she gets temporary % true damage.

Also melee carries kinda need to be extra broken because being ranged is a weakness. Its the tradeoff you make for being a melee stat check instead of a ranged one. You get extra damage, durability/safety, and/or utility in order to make up for the fact you'll never get the first shot in. Honestly complaining about melee carries is like complaining about tanks being durable when thats their main feature.

There is an argument in some cases that a re-work can add more counterplay. That goes equally true for someone like Vayne as it does for Tryndamere or whatever example you want to use. Also don't trust anyone who says Nasus is broken. They're bad at the game. If you die to an immobile melee champion who has a single target slow that you can cleanse or jump/flash away from then your positioning is awful.

ZaFishbone2/28/2019, 3:48:32 PM1 votes

This depends entirely on what champ you play. Some champs are better against Tryndamere, some are good against Vayne. It's worth noting that both those champs have often been called the banes of top lane by different people.

General Matty2/28/2019, 3:55:08 PM1 votes

U right

FrozenFrostFyre2/28/2019, 5:01:54 PM1 votes

People who make posts like this have never even attempted to play ADC and don't understand anything about them. Most ADC damage is gated behind getting multiple successive autoattacks off for a damage reward. This can be seeing in twitch, kalista, varus, vayne, trist, xayah, jinx(attackspeed on minigun), Ashe ranger focus, jhin 4th shot. Other adc's typically have some kind of gimick like draven axes or mf bouncing shot, cait headshot/traps. Ezreal skillshots. Two if the most generic adc's in the game are kog, sivir and lucian. A single mechanic all adc's share however is kiting and the nessesity of dodging skillshots while attacking. While typically having he least mobility or cc in the game. As well as strictly lower base stats than anyone else. If you get to the point where an ADC can just right click you then you lost long before that moment because even a 0-11 assassin has a chance you kill a 7-0 ADC if they are not paying attention.

Minimac20002/28/2019, 6:38:37 PM1 votes

F fiora. I'd rather play against a vayne top than a fiora bc at least she's screwing over her team and she doesn't have the bogus w that blocks everything even though she mistimed and used it 1+ seconds too early

MaskedMadness3/1/2019, 5:39:40 PM1 votes

Well what do we have here. lets just get started. No one is going to hug a wall because of Fiora vitals unless she ults. otherwise, you are wasting farm

Tryndamere is considered over powered because of Invincibility(through cc as well) highly damaging crit build and high sustain crit build. Tryndamere can actually one shot an adc if he truly wanted to. his slow is hard to predict because it is litteraly a click CC. NOT A POINT AND CLICK. JUST CLICK and you are slowed and lose damage. not many people are going to turn at the very nano second he presses that button.

Aatrox is dogshit ur right. bring back old trox.

Irelia has been busted from her rework from the get go. every nerf or buff she was still busted in some way. her kit is too strong.

Darius is not exactly supposed to be the engage and run in to die. if anything he is the janitor god. also his hook is basically a gap closer. because he is litteraly closing the gap with your body.

only one thing needs to be said about nasus. Full tank build q stacks.

as for ADC's they are supposed to obliterate people because they are the ATTACK DAMAGE CARRIES . not saying that some of them are not over tweaked but for the most part they are supposed to be that strong. but if you outplay by perhaps going to a bush. control warding so they cant see. bam you just did your first outplay.

Thank you

SomeOneButNoOne3/13/2019, 2:45:56 PM1 votes

Also, when a toplaner gets caught out, he has a mobility spell to escape, since in most of the scenarios unless it's a chain CC, he is going to have the time to react. If an AD carry gets caught out, for making 1 MISS step, you're flat out dead. Thresh hits a hook? You can literaly just drop your keyboard right there, and go take a piss, since it's GreyScreenTime.