Pyke is totally broken, please rework him.

Kreator Viktor·9/29/2019, 10:47:05 AM·25 votes·9,689 views

another please rework pyke-thread but this cannot be stated enough until it's done.

why?

first off the most obvious one - his ult. the fact that it executes (negates 100% of your armor if low hp enough) instead of just dealing damage, it scales with your AD and it has ridiculous range, meaning that you can ult the whole enemy team even if they are scattered far away from each other - in a line retreating to base or all around the jungle - doesn't matter because the range is so long. and the fact that it resets every time it kills someone. darius has this same but with much shorter range and with zero mobility, so it requires very specific situation for him to be able to execute even two players in a row. and in difference to darius, pyke's R also acts as a teleport. could literally split it in two and still have a perfectly decent ult.

second, his Q has next to no cooldown at max rank and full build. thresh with the almost identical Q has twice as long CD, with the exception that it will always hook you on the opponent, preventing you from using AA at the time. pyke can just enhance his dmg in a close combat with the Q without losing any precious time of his.

if this didn't already make him broken enough, let's give him a dash with short stun ability to cancel some cool stuff like MF or Kata ult, and some nice extra damage. again also with next to no CD at max rank. but most importantly, a nice mobility boost to further enhance his ability to kill everyone with his ult.

and finally, a freaking invisibility ability with sick mobility boost and heal, and with such low detection range that you can execute low hp players without them ever knowing before it's too late.

to summarize it, his every ability has perfect synergy with his ult, and the ult itself is beyond broken with no real ways to counter it, other than not losing any hp in a fight. if you'd remove thresh Q or R, darius R, singed R, urgot R, bliz Q or basically R from any champion you'd be left with the worst champion in the game, but remove Q or R from Pyke and you'd still have a totally decent assassin with great support capabilities. without his Q he would still be probably the top 1 assassin in the game, but at least we wouldn't see him as a support executing the whole team at once. Remove his R's reset feature and replace it with a on second cast-dash or just teleport for example, and he'd be totally fine already.

I don't know enough mathematics to calculate a ability value to a champion, but without a doubt Pyke is worth 2 any other champions at his current kit. on the other hand i must say that Pyke is insanely rewarding to play because the kit is so unique and has so perfect synergy, and because he's difficult to play well with high skill cap - it's not that you'd have to rework him completely - the numbers just need to be nerfed drastically to make him worth a normal champion. right now he's worth too much even on average hands, and with the high skill cap comes even more impact on the game if you know how to play him right.

30 Comments

RebeccaUCuber9/29/2019, 12:11:19 PM11 votes

Just delete this guy so i can permaban someone else!

Sinister Anubis9/29/2019, 11:11:34 AM10 votes

I want him reworked as well idk how many threads i see of him he needs to be checked.

Creamy Eevee9/29/2019, 11:31:26 AM6 votes

Im withyou op, but chances are riot wont do jack squat since they like their "playmakers" which makes me sad as a lulu

iMidg3t9/29/2019, 12:30:35 PM6 votes

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first off the most obvious one - his ult. the fact that it executes (negates 100% of your armor if low hp enough) instead of just dealing damage, it scales with your AD and it has ridiculous range, meaning that you can ult the whole enemy team even if they are scattered far away from each other - in a line retreating to base or all around the jungle - doesn't matter because the range is so long. and the fact that it resets every time it kills someone. darius has this same but with much shorter range and with zero mobility, so it requires very specific situation for him to be able to execute even two players in a row. and in difference to darius, pyke's R also acts as a teleport. could literally split it in two and still have a perfectly decent ult.

Its not that long dont exaggerate.

second, his Q has next to no cooldown at max rank and full build. thresh with the almost identical Q has twice as long CD, with the exception that it will always hook you on the opponent, preventing you from using AA at the time. pyke can just enhance his dmg in a close combat with the Q without losing any precious time of his.

Their cd-s at max rank and with cdr has maybe 1-2 sec difference. And if you think that's "next to no cooldown" then I think you never palyed against full build leona.

if this didn't already make him broken enough, let's give him a dash with short stun ability to cancel some cool stuff like MF or Kata ult, and some nice extra damage. again also with next to no CD at max rank. but most importantly, a nice mobility boost to further enhance his ability to kill everyone with his ult.

His E has 15 sec flat cd at all lvls.

and finally, a freaking invisibility ability with sick mobility boost and heal, and with such low detection range that you can execute low hp players without them ever knowing before it's too late.

Detection has the same range as Eve's and Twitch's stealth. Except you even get a visual warning and a sound warning when he's close, way before you can see him.

to summarize it, his every ability has perfect synergy with his ult, and the ult itself is beyond broken with no real ways to counter it, other than not losing any hp in a fight. if you'd remove thresh Q or R, darius R, singed R, urgot R, bliz Q or basically R from any champion you'd be left with the worst champion in the game, but remove Q or R from Pyke and you'd still have a totally decent assassin with great support capabilities. without his Q he would still be probably the top 1 assassin in the game, but at least we wouldn't see him as a support executing the whole team at once. Remove his R's reset feature and replace it with a on second cast-dash or just teleport for example, and he'd be totally fine already.

How is that a bad thing lol? champ's spells having synergy with each other is good. if we will go by that logic lets remove darius's true dmg increase based on Hemorrage stacks. Or garen's true dmg on ult when targeting a Villain. Spells should go hand-in-hand with each other, otherwise champs would be dogshit. And his ult has counterplay. You can dodge it, heal yourself somehow, be invulnerable (item 2420 , item 3157 or shamps abilities like Fizz E, Sivir E, Noc W...)

I don't know enough mathematics to calculate a ability value to a champion, but without a doubt Pyke is worth 2 any other champions at his current kit. on the other hand i must say that Pyke is insanely rewarding to play because the kit is so unique and has so perfect synergy, and because he's difficult to play well with high skill cap - it's not that you'd have to rework him completely - the numbers just need to be nerfed drastically to make him worth a normal champion. right now he's worth too much even on average hands, and with the high skill cap comes even more impact on the game if you know how to play him right.

The only thing that makes him viable is extra gold from ult kill and thats it.

HellWalker29/29/2019, 12:28:39 PM5 votes

yall bronzes ever heard of hard cc to stop him?Pyke Yasuo summoner 4

boricCentaur19/29/2019, 12:27:53 PM4 votes

Completely ignoring the fact pyke had basically all this stuff and was shit if not played tank for the first season he was out, then in this season he was ok until people played him top.

Pyke doesn't need a rework and his changes show that. If the amount of stuff in his kit was a problem it would of showed up in the past but no it didn't, pyke well assassin pyke has really only been complained about and played a lot because of the gold change.

I can go over this post and point out how almost nothing you said makes sense. Like his e having no cooldown even though it's basically impossible for him to get it twice in a fight. Like you keep saying his ult is better Darius when it does less damage and pyke can't get it off without help from his team.

There are so many other supports that do way more then Pyke ali,thresh, fucking yummi. Like how can his kit be overloaded if he only does like two fucking things in a fight which basically means all he does is focus someone down and in lane he plays like a engage support with less lockdown and more roaming.

The Kombinator9/30/2019, 9:57:50 AM3 votes

His passive prevents him from getting more health. So he is a total glass cannon, and cannot be done otherwise. This is more than enough balance for him.

Also his ult is a skillshot, that can be easily dodged by any champ with instant teleport, or dash, or flash.

Now to be serious. The only way to deal with Pyke is a nuke while CC. Which is the counter of like 95% of the champions. Also if you fail on this for whatever reason he just goes away, and return with nearly full health in 5 seconds. If you get away with 1% health as Zed, Yasuo, or Talon, then you won't go back for a long time. Unless you fight at the fountain, or has a Soraka to patch you up real fast.

Pika Fox9/29/2019, 2:03:28 PM3 votes

"Rework pyke, i dunno what a flash is even tho its on my summoner spell list or how to get free kills on an adc against a support that cant defend them, kthx"

Seriously, how do people expect riot to take the boards seriously when everyone is an armchair balance expert?

stay noided af10/1/2019, 2:52:13 PM2 votes

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to summarize it, his every ability has perfect synergy with his ult, and the ult itself is beyond broken with no real ways to counter it, other than not losing any hp in a fight.

Here is a list of items, abilities and sums that stop pyke's execute from either hitting or resetting:

Flash

Heal

Sivir Spellsheild

Nocturne Spellsheild

Lulu R

Kayle R

Lucian Dash

Ezreal Blink

Kayn R

Sona W

Fizz W(? I've never played fizz)

Vlad pool

Camille R (timing is hard but doable)

Bard R (again hard timing)

Stopwatch

Zonyas

GA

Edge of Night (hard timing)

Katarina Jump

Zed Shadowstep (forgot what the ability is called exactly)

Trynd R

Fiora Reposte (did not used to work but was bugfixed)

Zilean R

Soraka W

Soraka R

Various Riven Dodges

Various Renekton Dodges

Shaco R

Taric R (hard timing)

malz Passive

Anivia Passive

Zac Passive

Mini Gnar Hops

Yasuo Dashes

Nami W

Leblanc Distortion

Lissandra self ult

Aatrox Ult

Khaazix hop

Lee Sin Q

Evelynn R

Sylas W

and probally a bunch more that I'm forgetting. But basically any dash/blink, any spellsheild (apart from morg black sheild), any invulnerability spell, Resurrection, or Heal stops pyke's execute from resetting at least and many stop it from doing anything at all.

I recommend actually playing a champion before you write a factually incorrect essay about how broken it is.

Nea1049/29/2019, 2:00:17 PM2 votes

Just look at how long this sh has been going on. They are not listening ;)

They will eventually change something just to break something else.

Emperor Talquin9/29/2019, 3:27:47 PM2 votes

Only thing broken is the amount of gold he gives his teammates.

iDarkWind9/29/2019, 6:13:13 PM2 votes

I wouldn't say he's broken. I just think that he's annoying and monstly it is very hard to punish a good Pyke player. He just has to many tools to run away when he fucks up, thats the biggest problem. Saying that he is an easy champion to pick up and broken tier is just not true.

Xedlord9/30/2019, 2:46:49 AM2 votes

No

TyRamos9/29/2019, 9:20:56 PM1 votes

Pyke just needs his health regen nerfed and his ult gold nerfed and I think he'd be fine.

CaptainAntiHeroz10/1/2019, 1:14:33 AM1 votes

should just let me go back to building item 3110 item 3026 item 3800 item 3065 item 3401 item 3117 so i can never die....... ONE DAY TANK PYKE WILL RETURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Creamy Eevee9/29/2019, 7:35:03 PM1 votes

A shit pyke is only annoying

but a good pyke will demoralize your team and get bot/top yelled at or tilt people enough to constantly bring up surrender votes