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I don't understand the outrage

Kevin Gate·9/6/2018, 4:09:23 PM·3 votes·726 views

Why are you guys so fixated on garbage comments by some guy from Riot?

Do you people realize the absurdity of "Riot wants gendercide"?

How many of you Ivy League geniuses think that Riot actually decided "Yeah, this is what we want for the betterment and reputation for our company"? A company with an infinite amount of PR expertise doesn't know that sexism and telling it's customers to "commit suicide" is wrong? Gtfo

You guys are duped by intentional controversy and have played into their hands. Knowing this, can you guys please all get a job or attend the closest CC and possibly stop making all these stupid threads?

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Jamaree9/6/2018, 4:16:46 PM3 votes

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Why are you guys so fixated on garbage comments by some guy from Riot?

Because they have always prided themselves on being and having the moral high ground and you can't really punish people then be ok when your own do the same thing. You can't punish people in game for being sexist or telling people to suicide, then be ok when an employee does it, especially when you fired another employee for implying that someone they don't like should kill themselves. DZK advocates for everyone who doesn't agree with him to do the same.

How many of you Ivy League geniuses think that Riot actually decided "Yeah, this is what we want for the betterment and reputation for our company"? A company with an infinite amount of PR expertise doesn't know that sexism and telling it's customers to "commit suicide" is wrong? Gtfo

They kind of need to hurry up and make an official statement then because the longer they wait, the more people are gonna grind in the rumor mill. Obviously not everyone at Riot is ok with this, but silence speaks loudly.

Skullgetti9/6/2018, 4:17:27 PM2 votes

Look up the leak of the private conversations inside of the company. A lot of rioters support D. Klein's decisions and public comments. Also the fact that several rioters have been fired before for minor or major things they tweeted/posted that were targeting even as little as 1 guy being toxic (E.G the rioter that insulted draven) while D. Klein is allowed to say things that basically boil down to "Men are toxic, men are evil"

Oleandervine9/6/2018, 4:19:50 PM1 votes

Obviously, their PR didn't approve this. Their PR department SHOULD be having a massive panic attack though, because this is exactly the kind of shit storm that companies avoid like the plague. They may naively not be worried, but damn, Riot games should really be shitting their pants right now. This is spiraling so badly out of control for them.

As for why everyone's upset - this whole scandal reek of hypocrisy and ignorance. Riot is almost completely ignorant of their wrongdoing and how to address it. They're also complete hypocrites by allowing people like Klein say whatever the hell they want on Twitter to inflame the issue and basically break every rule Riot enforces in game with a draconian hand.

UnwardiI9/6/2018, 4:32:26 PM1 votes

Well, because it isn't the garbage comment people are fixated on.

I know it looks like that from a surface level of analysis and I'm sure for most they don't understand why they are concerned to the degree to which they are, but it's actually symptomatic of an existential threat to the game.

At some level, everyone commenting on this situation sees that, even if they couldn't articulate how they see it or what exactly that existential threat is, but that's the source of the outrage, I think.

More over, I think it's justified and because I'm working on increasing my rhetorical acumen, I'll see if I can lay out to you why I think it's a justified concern.

Riot's actions have indicated to the concerned public a shift in their values which is incongruous with the values of the community. The community at large, I would say, values primarily the betterment of the gaming experience to some kind of theoretical optimal.

This is a very good value, because it is unattainable yet can be moved towards.

Riot's recent actions however, seem not to be in line with this goal, but rather towards some kind of social engineering and gender equality nonsense and it IS nonsense for a couple of reasons.

  1. Core gamers are overwhelmingly men. This is indisputable and you don't have to look hard at the scientific data on the personality differences between the sexes to understand why that's the case but I'll just give you a couple. Men are on average more aggressive and more competitive and they have more of a tendency to be interested in things as opposed to people. You push both of those tendencies to the extremes of the distributions and it explains why you see men overwhelmingly represented in aggressive, competitive activities. Such as League of Legends.

  2. Programmers and engineers are also OVERWHELMINGLY men for exactly the same reasons. Both of these factors explains the disparity you see in the staffing at Riot as well as the player base with a far greater accuracy than any kind of "toxic environment for women".

The fact is very clear. This is a male dominated activity at every level of analysis by BIOLOGICAL design.

Now, that said, MAYBE it's possible to change that. Maybe, if it were possible, it might even be better for everyone if it were to be changed. I'm not here to make any kind of judgement on that.

However, what it will self evidently NOT be is easy or cheap because it is attempting to re-order the very fabric of reality. And if that's Riot's new prime Value; to attempt to re-order the very biological tendencies which make us human in the name of some kind of vaunted "equality" then the probability that they will simultaneously be able to continue to make the best possible gaming experience is ZERO.

Now then. Does that explain it to you?