Surrendering wins

Beerstein·6/27/2019, 5:59:43 PM·1 votes·920 views

You should get a loss forgiven for not clicking surrender. Maybe it'll encourage rageheads that give up a the drop of a hat to think twice before surrendering, and if it doesn't, at least the one that sees the game is still an easy win won't get punished for quitters.

Yep, just had ANOTHER game where I saw my teams odds of winning as better than the opponents, despite them yelling at eachother DURING teamfights and they surrendered...

Despite all my teams mistakes, the enemy was making more, but they were too busy blaming eachother to notice the enemy doing it as well and taking advantage of it.

So hey, surrender -.- I don't normally call teams trash, but people that surrender wins are literal trash.

10 Comments

GonahtanuGepardi6/27/2019, 6:01:56 PM3 votes

at least the one that sees the game is still an easy win won't get punished for quitters.

Or you know, maybe that one person is just holding others hostage and is delusional about their chances of winning.

Butterwood6/27/2019, 6:20:06 PM2 votes

I don't know about a loss prevented, but reduced LP loss for sure. I've definitely fallen victim to my team surrendering winnable games.

CarpeConundrum6/27/2019, 6:01:37 PM1 votes

inb4 "this will be abused somehow"

iiGazeii6/27/2019, 6:10:40 PM1 votes

That would just make it so that nobody would ever surrender.

I agree that people are way too forfeit-happy and often quit games that they could have easily won or quit too early, but making it so that the people who refuse are refunded for the loss is just backwards thinking.

I think surrendering should only be an option in objectively "decided" games. The enemy should be above a certain threshold of more kills, gold, objectives, etc., before a non-unanimous surrender becomes available. Having someone leave would also make a non-unanimous surrender possible.

People could still unanimously surrender at any point, if they REALLY thought it wasn't winnable, but the enemy would need to have some sort of advantage before they could surrender without everybody agreeing.

Beerstein6/27/2019, 6:21:02 PM1 votes

Also, people can say "Oh, but it's not a problem because if they know you can't win they have a right to walk off"

The problem with that argument is if it were true, different regions would have the same surrender rates.

Instead, we have this:

https://imgur.com/ZH09nxU

It's a society/mentality problem. If people 100% saw a loss, they'd surrender no matter the region. So why does one region have 10% and another 27.5% surrender rate? It's because of a quitter mentality, a social problem, not an odds of winning thing.

I will admit, that maybe a few regions just surrender a lot right before their nexus explodes or something similar as I don't have more in-depth stats, but that wouldn't always be the case, and there's still a huge variance.

What I do know is that at least for NA, people are very quick to walk away from potential, or even probable wins, and it sucks. What's worse is it's usually the top performer on their team that has a good overview of the game, has managed to keep a calm head, and doesn't try to surrender that gets punished.

How do I know it's bad? Because I've long since lost count of how many games I won simply because I was able to stop surrenders either on my own pre 20 minutes, or with one other and win. The only problem is, I can't do that alone post-20 minutes, and if it's that close so many times, then there's a high population that do click it, and it wont be close that many other times, it'll be a surrender without a choice.

This last surrender the first words that went through my head, and even in chat were "WTF???" because I was so confused at why my team just surrendered. How is the quitter mentality THAT bad that my instant reaction was confusion at why my team surrendered because I saw us winning at the time? Yeah, there were things in the enemies favor, but the way the game was playing out to me was a win, and I was literally playing towards that when suddenly the camera starts panning to my nexus.

There's literally nothing worse in league than "Yes we got this" instantly followed by "Oh, my team pressed a button to reduce my LP and MMR"

xox BaByDoLL xox6/27/2019, 10:04:00 PM1 votes

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rageheads that give up a the drop of a hat to think twice before surrendering, and if it doesn't, at least the one that sees the game is still an easy win won't get punished for quitters.

Yikes. Maybe instead of people being "rageheads" they're just using commonsense and being realistic about their odds of winning, vs. being that hardheaded smug jerk who thinks he can carry the team on his fav. champ when they're all incredibly behind and wants to selfishly extend a losing game from 20min to 40-50minutes - never once changing the outcome.

Sure, the people who die in a team fight and instantly /ff and declare it's all over just because they died ONCE, are absurd and silly.....but a lot of surrenders are warranted. I'm actually on a role with predicting wins and losses.....I haven't been wrong for a minute. lol Seriously though, It's not that hard to see when a game is over and past the "oh we can come back" point. Sure, random insanely lucky comebacks can happen, but they're so incredibly rare - especially with a group of randoms. Usually what happens when someone claims "oh we can come back" is that you have one person - usually top but sometimes mid - who is doing really good or decent in their lane and ignores how awful the rest of the team is doing, and then whines when people surrender because they wanna selfishly keep farming kills vs. the laner they're ahead against 🙄