Let's have a legitimate talk about "<x> is dying".

ModCaptainMårvelous·4/25/2018, 4:36:51 AM·59 votes·15,724 views

I see this thing thrown out all the time. Not just on League either. Hell, google any game and dying and you'll either bring up how not to die in the game or how the game is dying, everyone should jump ship. Rather, I think this is a good time to talk to people about it and try to spread some wholesome knowledge about a game dying.

#The Basics.

Much like humans, from the moment a game releases (sometimes even beforehand), a game starts dying. We'll label "dying" as the point where a game has less newcomers to replace those that quit and/or leave. Games can take steps to prolong their lives such as DLC or the new motto of "Games as a service" but the moment a game exists, it's going to start losing players.

Now, the incorrect assumption most people make is that the game is going to die to the point where everyone panics, profits go down the shitter and there's nothing left for new players. This is just false. Even the original counter-strike sees new players. They're just not common. A popular game will always have a playerbase. That said, not every playerbase is widespread. Street Fighter II still has old and new players but they're rarely getting huge influxes. More importantly, those that are still playing are older and a tighter-knit community.

#The Modern Game Death

These days, only a select few games earnestly die. A good example of this is Lawbreakers or Paragon: Games that have hit a point where nobody plays them anymore and the game itself shuts down. Sorry to burst gameplay's bubble but League isn't going to die. By extent, however, this is true of hundreds of games. People still think WoW is actually going to die. Blizzard themselves have said that even if the game has so few subs, they'll just make it free to play. Games like that aren't going anywhere.

The better term for what gameplay (and others) like to boast and doomsay about is "decay". Is league decaying? Absolutely. Is it only the balance? Well, no. The game is almost a decade old and arguably an extreme niche of a game genre. DOTA Classic never hit the insane popularity levels of League. Rather, Riot's business model was killer and adopted by almost every game in the industry. You can argue this if you want but skin-tiers, f2p mechanics and purchasing characters while offering the base game for free was both the common choice as well as improved upon by other games to remain competitive.

It's also worth noting that game love varies depending on the region. RTS and MOBA games have always leaned heavily to the Asian crowd of China, Korea, etc. EU and NA seem to prefer and excel at FPS and TPS (Third person) games. Not to say the fan demographic doesn't exist but it's much smaller in NA/EU sphere than in the KR/CHN space. Overwatch took off and, by extent, PUBG/Fortntie are taking off because these are games that lean more toward the NA/EU crowd, along with those games being on consoles which are infinitely more popular in NA/EU than KR/CHN.

But even then, I'm just using League as an example. Many people are already arguing Overwatch has plateau'd and the player influx isn't happening as it used to, meaning the game is decaying. You could also argue PUBG/Fortnite are locked in a battle right now for first place (Much as DOTA/League used to) and that these are eating the OW playerbase.

#End Notes

Games rarely die. Games mostly just whittle down to the core audience. The core audience, for example, could be a speedrun communtiy who will play Crash Team Racing until the day they die because it's their number one game of all time. So too is League beginning to whittle down to it's highest core playerbase. People who picked it up as a social game are either older now or moving onto something else. Argue those numbers as you wish. But is League dying? No. It's certainly going to be in the top percentage space and it's arguable that the esport scene may never "truly" die.

At the end of the day, enjoy your game whatever it is. Or don't. Just don't eagerly point at numbers and expect any game to turn into Lawbreakers 2.

55 Comments

TheRiddum4/25/2018, 4:44:39 AM12 votes

AM i dying?

Pandeonor4/25/2018, 6:21:18 AM9 votes

Yes and no.

Games never die in terms of "you can not play them anymore". You can still play pacman. So I don´t think that this type of definition helps here.

Games are called "dead" if the playerbase wich is paying is low so that no new content is written for them. I´ve seen some of this games. In "active" times there were events and every in a while fresh content. Let´s say new levels, other characters, new type of events, new outfit and so on. I call a game "dead" if this doesn´t happen anymore or the days between events are not 15 but 150 or the servers are down sometimes and so on.

For example: if League would have been unchanged since 2012 it would have been "dead" a long time ago, forgotten by it´s owner.

Kids love new content. That´s it. New, fresh and hopefully all are going there, then it´s a "in game". All are talking about in school., you can perhaps play together. You can call this socially "alive", wich is the 3rd definition per inversion of the term "dead".

We can find other games. Best example is Minecraft wich has a "bad graphic design" and wich actually grows, has about 74 million active players monthly, doubled within 2 years and it´s a game wich cost around 30$. It is like League an unique "original" within it´s own genre.

I´ve made a thread some day´s before with some data. League is far away from being dead or forgotten. The playerbase is huge and it´s an unique game wich is in a good spot within esports. There maybe especially in NA a problem with being socially alive.

Well. I am not in a position to give advice. For the future, for a rollback, League has some options to reset itself in position. One of the problems is [compared to new hyper-games] that it´s graphically a game of 2009 with minor updates within graphic engine. That is an immense timespan for a game. Refreshing this would be like rewriting the whole. But. We are talking about schoolground here. Another map or anything else would be nice but would not result in social acceptance. It must smell new and untouched and MODERN.

League will not die. And somehow I am sure Tencent will do something in future.

Just Jangle4/25/2018, 5:26:34 AM9 votes

WoW has been dead for like 10 years now, yet the last expansion is the one that sold the most. Wierd huh?

Real Sexy Yoona4/25/2018, 7:37:06 AM8 votes

I was part of the last generation that would play Starcraft 1 growing up. Despite its decline, I've still been playing that game for 12 years now. Blizzard "remastering" the old game last year is proof that core audiences simply don't walk away from games. When I go to an internet cafe (pc bang) in Korea, Starcraft 1 is oddly more popular than Starcraft 2. The game is 20 years old and in Korea, people will actually believe you are stupid if you say Starcraft 1 is a dead game. It's a favorite to many people in their LATE teens (like me), 20s, 30s, and hell even 40s.

And so when I hear "League is dying, League is dead...", it just feels like people are using it as propaganda against Riot, asking for change. I, by all means, agree that the game needs balancing Riot now (haha), but arguing that League is dying seems inappropriate. And saying that rarely brings anything positive or constructive to the table anyways. It unnecessarily adds more anger or dramatic flair to posts that farm upvotes. (ex. Malicious Metal's self-proclaimed "last" post before quitting League). Spoilers: he still plays League.

Luralin4/25/2018, 4:39:26 AM5 votes

I hope Nier Automata dies as soon as possible.

Zac x Me4/25/2018, 4:46:42 AM4 votes

u r die

PePsiLemoNN4/25/2018, 11:57:20 AM3 votes

All my 5 friends stopped playing , what more proof do you need? Kappa

Battalion4/25/2018, 11:25:11 AM3 votes

The concept of a dying game doesn't require a 3 paragraph explanation, it is not a difficult concept. Is League of Legends dying? Yes, yes it is. You can all it decaying if you like. People using search engines to look for the LoL reddit, Lol Boards, LoL website, LCS on Twitch, or Youtube have been declining heavily since 2015. That doesn't mean League of Legends is a dead game nor will it just be 100 guys on a combined global server; but to insinuate that a game "whittling down" isn't just semantics for dying. It's putting a happy face sticker on sinking ship and saying:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/51/Everything_is_Okay_Emote.png/revision/latest?cb=20180322145328

Besteau4/25/2018, 3:32:04 PM2 votes

PRUNE THE WEAK Darius

mirAcIe4/25/2018, 7:35:33 AM2 votes

You know what's not dying though? The x is dying threads.

4262874/25/2018, 11:21:31 AM2 votes

Every mmo game ive ever played has had "game is dying" threads and posts. Literaly all of them still exist with new content coming from time to time. Let the 12 year old be the 12 year olds they are.

TeCoolMage4/25/2018, 11:38:47 AM2 votes

I feel like paragon died because epic games wanted to dump all their eggs into the fortnite basket.

La Belle Sauvage4/25/2018, 4:33:02 PM2 votes

Excellent post Cap!!

I find all these LoL is dying posts a but ridiculous and a little entertaining too.

The typical LoL is dying post:

  • A complaint about a part of the game the OP despises (ex. "TOO MUCH DMG") followed by
  • a directive aka. "Change it or else" and
  • typically cocludes with "without us you're nothing".
BIoodwing4/26/2018, 10:53:02 PM1 votes

League may not be dead but the current Riot staff sure is killing it.

Jesus is Savior4/25/2018, 4:45:04 PM1 votes

Some games do truly die. Phantasy Star Online Blue Burst? Sure, a couple hundred people play it. But the community is 100x more toxic than League is (to the point where they won't just jokingly tell you to kill yourself - they will push and bully as hard as they can to actually try and get you to do it, even going so far as to make websites about you and use your real life name). Even if you want to play a game like that, the community will eventually kill it for you, unless you go 100% solo mode.

Also: Ragnarok Online (official servers at least). 100% pay2win scam at this point. Around 2.5k "people" play the NA version, but that includes vend-slaves, buff-slaves, and actual bots. And when I say pay2win scam, I mean it. They will nerf items to get you to buy new items with the same effect from the cash shop. They will remove NPCs that provide vital functions (eg: one-time free stat reset) in order to get you to buy stuff from the cash shop. "Costumes" used to be exactly that - aesthetics that go into their own equip slot and override whatever item you have equipped there. Now costumes give stats. You can still play the game, sure. But it's nothing like it used to be. And it's only going to get worse. They are literally milking their players and trying to dump that money into new games no one wants to play. As more and more of their new games fail, they will milk their Ragnarok players even harder, until they eventually fizzle out and die for good.

ChuShoe4/25/2018, 7:25:20 PM1 votes

If you want to talk about a game that is just absolutely dead, look at Guns of Icarus. Despite being a very fun game that has good balancing, it doesn't have anywhere near the playerbase it had 3 years ago.

Arduno4/25/2018, 7:33:22 PM1 votes

Ah Lawbreakers The anti gravity system was awesome To bad almost no one played it.. If it had bots, I would still be playing it To bad the devs just let it die out..

Makes me wonder how many champions league will end with? mehehehehehehehehehehe

Velasan4/25/2018, 7:46:50 PM1 votes

As a free to play game it is easy for League to attract players, but that also means they don't have the same investment on it over a game they spent money on.

It's easy to push people away when a game stops being fun and the enjoyment factor should be the primary concern.

mack91124/25/2018, 8:02:04 PM1 votes

No game has captivated me like league has stop point

xelaker4/25/2018, 9:39:12 PM1 votes

{quoted}

The better term for what gameplay (and others) like to boast and doomsay about is &quot;decay&quot;. Is league decaying? Absolutely.

Are we not equating decaying player base to dying player base? Both imply the decline in number of players in a given game... The statement you harp on "league is dying" isn't all that different from "league is decaying"

Taric the Gay4/25/2018, 10:06:45 PM1 votes

I heard Lux is dying. Is it true?

http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png

Ouroboro4/25/2018, 10:24:32 PM1 votes

good thread

Lux Is Mai Waifu4/25/2018, 11:10:55 PM1 votes

adopted by almost every other game in the industry

Thankfully, this is just wrong and the majority of popular competitive games have not copied Riot's p2w-lite model.

Xion Moonray4/26/2018, 6:02:01 PM1 votes

The concept of a game "dying" didn't exist before games were tied to online services. On one hand, just the other day I pulled out my old copy of Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess and decided to play it, it would be impossible to call such a game "dead" despite it's age. However, on the other hand, I can no longer play City of Heroes, the servers no longer exist and no fan efforts have been capable of creating unofficial replacements. That game is most definitely very dead, and there are many others like it.

Colonel J4/25/2018, 6:23:57 AM1 votes

is CaptainMårvelous dying?