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Please give me honest feedback :) no troll

ZELDÅ·8/30/2019, 9:19:15 PM·2 votes·1,289 views

THIS IS NOT A RANT i just really want good feedback because i am not understanding this permaban and riot won't respond.

thanks in advance!

i get it you guys can't see all that was said and i think that is a huge issue, i got permaban for this one single chat log and i just don't understand why.

here is the context of the conversation. i was vs a real life friend me and him talked all game long everything said was in all chat my friends was in a 4 man premade so was my team i was solo que from champ select 1 guy was trolling me, no big deal then all 4 of them started trolling me and flaming me after i got ganked at my blue at lvl 1 i was typing in-between camps to my friend. my team went as far as to make stuff up in all chat saying i was saying things i didn't say it was comical even the entire enemy team was basically flaming my team because of the stuff they were saying but what ever no big deal or so i thought.

this is not a complaint i just want some feedback as to why i may have been permaban? i have contacted riot support and nobody got back with me i never reported any of my team despite the fact the were calling me all sorts of names it was honestly funny.

so please some good honest feedback

also dose anyone know why there is only MY chat logs and not the entire games chat logs? i mean this would clear up anything that i said completely.

Game 1 Pre-Game ZELDÅ: plz dont ban elise i might go her ZELDÅ: not that anyone bans her anyhow but ZELDÅ: mid u ap ? ZELDÅ: well me and leona only ap In-Game ZELDÅ: ill take root first but will need leash ZELDÅ: leave there ZELDÅ: and come here lol ZELDÅ: ok gg bot lane lol ZELDÅ: how is everyone tonight ? ZELDÅ: ah i see ZELDÅ: hope they have their carry pants on hahaha ZELDÅ: hey man my jungle is open just sayn ZELDÅ: no but im not doing much ZELDÅ: got that team that is well all in a group and nice huge ego ZELDÅ: not rude but like example my 1 death i pinged so many times and asked for help n they sat there csing while i die next to them ZELDÅ: that type of team lol ZELDÅ: not talking to you ..........so mute me ZELDÅ: 0.O true story ZELDÅ: so yall inting >? ZELDÅ: awe haha ZELDÅ: i watched that from my blue ZELDÅ: rofl ZELDÅ: lol ZELDÅ: so i take it yall a premade also ? ZELDÅ: nice ZELDÅ: on the bright side ....talon falls off soon ZELDÅ: sorry cant im waiting for ZELDÅ: why tbh ? ZELDÅ: i was just waiting for frog hahah ZELDÅ: i need someone to end the game so i can get in a non-premade ZELDÅ: EGO CHECK !! ZELDÅ: rofl ZELDÅ: ok i get it now thewy all on first name basis so they rl dweebs hahaha ZELDÅ: so yall trolling your friends now hahah ZELDÅ: dude they bitching at each other hahah ZELDÅ: they on each others laps haha ZELDÅ: got not anything else to do haha ZELDÅ: yes wipe them hahah ZELDÅ: all you guys need to do is get in one murder ball and end it ZELDÅ: but know what they may not be good but they are cool ppl ZELDÅ: owen ZELDÅ: sounds 13 ZELDÅ: so ok im gettign a good mental picture of this grp ZELDÅ: ok ZELDÅ: ?? ZELDÅ: rofl ZELDÅ: haha ZELDÅ: yea my team all schoolmates ZELDÅ: first off im white ZELDÅ: 2nd i dont have kids ZELDÅ: hey what ever you want to think man draw your own mental picture ZELDÅ: mine has 4 fat kids in it sitting in a basement somewhere in michigan ZELDÅ: ? she unlucky ? no she lucky she dosent have to do a thing haha ZELDÅ: pew pew ZELDÅ: nooooooo ZELDÅ: end it ! ZELDÅ: come on voli wtf man haha ZELDÅ: HAHHAHAHAHH AATROX NAME IS IAN hahah he must be no older then what 16 ZELDÅ: my IQ just high enough to be a TA for he dod ZELDÅ: hahahahha ZELDÅ: imma go cry in my 2016 lambo 1100 hp because you think im a "%%%%%%" haha ZELDÅ: they doing shit like calling me "%%%%%%" and "shit" thinking im gonna get banned hahah ZELDÅ: and im not toxic ive said 100% of everything in all caht ZELDÅ: chat * ZELDÅ: you most def do live chat very ez ZELDÅ: YEA WHAT VOLI SAID HAHAH ZELDÅ: ok morg dick move man haha ZELDÅ: lol ZELDÅ: i dont have a wife sorry ZELDÅ: yea i will not get married period fuk %%%%%%ZELDÅ: i will when it gets back and i will cry my heart out in i%%%%%%you just for you haha ZELDÅ: no its getting oil change ZELDÅ: yes 2016 ? Post-Game ZELDÅ: what about 2016 has you twisted ? ZELDÅ: not a cance in hell sorry ZELDÅ: guy * ZELDÅ: you never will ZELDÅ: 2016 ? ZELDÅ: tuesday i will ZELDÅ: haha ZELDÅ: fuck yea im broke bro hahaha

20 Comments

Arcade Lulu8/30/2019, 9:23:29 PM2 votes

You only see your own chat logs because that's what you're getting punished for What others said doesn't matter 'cause you're getting punished for YOUR words and actions One thing that might've triggered the punishment for you is you repeating the R word, which is offensive. And the automated system picked that up

KFCeytron8/30/2019, 9:32:25 PM2 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

The only chat messages included in your chat log are your own for a single, extremely good reason: they are the only ones taken into account for your punishment, because they're the only ones in your control. The things other players said and did in your match might produce in you an impulse to do certain things that may include breaking LoL's rules, but your behavior is your own, and you are responsible for it. If you really think about it, this is a good thing. If a toxic player's goading could exempt you from punishment for your flaming them, calling for reports, etc., then it would logically go the other way as well, resulting in punishments for players who didn't necessarily break any rules but weren't quite as friendly and positive as their teammates. Can you imagine a world where "didn't participate in the dance party and ignored all of our jokes" was a valid report that could get someone suspended for two weeks? We don't want that situation anymore than we want "called our support a braindead waste of space" to be considered an invalid report just because, say, the support was telling their team to harm themselves while they merrily ran it down mid.

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the logs that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several logs. You might see three logs, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

You threw around racist and/or homophobic slurs, trash talked the whole time, argued, and insulted your team. Whether it was in all chat or not, it bothered people. You bother people frequently, so this was the last time Riot will allow you to do so.

Cind3rkick8/30/2019, 9:27:18 PM1 votes

ZELDÅ: hahahahha ZELDÅ: imma go cry in my 2016 lambo 1100 hp because you think im a "%%%%%%" haha ZELDÅ: they doing shit like calling me "%%%%%%" and "shit" thinking im gonna get banned hahah ZELDÅ: and im not toxic ive said 100% of everything in all caht ZELDÅ: chat ZELDÅ: you most def do live chat very ez ZELDÅ: YEA WHAT VOLI SAID HAHAH ZELDÅ: ok morg dick move man haha ZELDÅ: lol ZELDÅ: i dont have a wife sorry ZELDÅ: yea i will not get married period fuk %%%%%%ZELDÅ: i will when it gets back and i will cry my heart out in i%%%%%%you just for you haha

That is enough for a punishment. It doesn't matter what anyone else does. You broke yhe rules so you get punished.

ZELDÅ8/30/2019, 9:34:58 PM1 votes

i think this is a great topic because i never red the terms of service when i started this game i had no idea that ONLY what i said would be taken into account and i feel like this is all a huge misunderstanding and i got ban for it while the real offenders got away scot free i never reported anyone. i mean I'm not rich and i spent $50 on this game for skins then to get banned for life for this conversation I'm just shocked at how quickly someone can be punished and not one look was taken towards the other players and their actions tbh it really sucks man i was thinking riot would give me my account back but they won't even respond period :(

CL04K8/30/2019, 11:07:44 PM1 votes

Too long didn't read. My feedback would be I'm starting to think they ban you based off of how many lines of text you type. So say you type 24 lines. Banned! But in full honesty nobody should be getting banned for whatever they say. Maybe like a hour kick or something but nothing too exceeding. Or even a permaban unless they threaten you psychically or something along the lines.

Cause who are riot to be labeling people toxic. Is that not discriminatory itself? I find the word "Toxic" a pretty offensive word as much as racism.