Udyr and Adaptive Force - One of The Problem of Jungle Phoenix Udyr

TLDR; Phoenix needs the AP from the Adaptive, it gives AD instead. Putting points in Phoenix should give you the AP.

As the game is becoming more and more mid to late game focused than in S8 early game, I believe that Phoenix is going to have a comeback, but there are certain sit backs that still keeps it bad. And here is one problem that riot never managed to handle ever since the new runes was introduced, as it was not priority. But hopefully they will listen to us loyal Phoenixer and do something about it.

As you know, Phoenix Udyr scales with AP. While Tiger obviously with AD. The thing is with Adaptive Force, and Adaptive Damage, is that they mostly start with AD, unless you buy an AP item.

However, for toplane P.Dyr, you can easily either get a Doran's Ring or a Dark Seal and you can get your AP straight up from what have you of Adaptive. Meanwhile on in Jungle, you either get Machete or Talisman for you starting item.

Phoenix loves four things, attack speed, ap, cooldown and the mana to spam it, but neither Machete(used to have Attack Speed, but that's without the Mana, so it was really good on Tiger) nor Talisman provides any of them. And only Talisman provides Mana Regen. Thus, making Adaptive force negligible on Udyr as it doesn't provide the AP boost that it desperately needs. While other AP jungler and AD Casters straight up has huge bursts in their kit that makes it fine not to have Adaptive force before buildingcomponents. And AD jungler are fine as they heal back up better with the extra AD they get while lifestealing with Machete. It is simply unfair for AD champions to have an advantage over champions that prefer AP at earliest as possible. Other AP champions (already have inbuilt % damage, like Nidalee, Eve, Gragas and what have you) while Udyr doesn't in the early set.

Nevermind that where there are occasion where you want to go Cinderhulk , you will still have no AP scaling in any of the runes you choose.

Even items like Trifroce has AD, and it is a good item whether we build Phoenix or Tiger, but it bottlenecks Phoenix and Turtle by shifting all the Adaptive scaling to AD.

Phoenix as a spell isn't effective well before its final fifth point, where it finally does a sizeable damage to camps and champions and otherwise and have built a Runic Echo at that point. And by this time, _he is coming pretty late into the game. _

So how do players went around this? Taking Tiger first. But this delays our 4th spell level up. Delaying Udyr even more.

> **So what's the solution? **

You ask. If we take the first point in either Turtle or Phoenix, we get the AP instead of defaulting it to AD, this is in case Riot doesn't want to bother giving AP to AP scaling champions. It helps tons more than the AD we are getting. Sad that we don't get to choose if we want the AP or the AD, unless and until we have an item that scales with it in the early phases.