Champions You'd Like to See Reworked in 2019

Forhonor321·10/3/2018, 9:46:08 AM·9 votes·31,670 views

I'd like to think that we all aware that there are many champions in League that are very outdated with the current game. When League first started they were fine with how Riot's philosophy of how the game should be, but over time that philosophy changed and so did the game, leaving these champs behind and some being problematic (with that term varying from person to person).

At the same time, however, some of Riot's attempts to rework champs, mainly with the class updates, have been lackluster and caused more champs to become problems, mainly in pro-play and sometimes in normals. Hence why Riot has ceased class updates all together.

And even after that, there are some champs released or individually reworked that deal with this issue as well. Kalista and Azir are some examples.


With that said, there is always the possibility that many of these champs will become candidates for reworks in the near future. How those will turn out will always be remained to be seen, but we can always dream of them just being better than what they are now.

So, to stop beating around the bush, I want to ask you the question: which champions do you feel should be considered/chosen for reworks going into 2019?

Now, I want to give some brief guidelines on this topic:

  • Champs that are in dire need of a VGU are generally more appreciated (by me at least). This means that champions that are very high up on the tier list mentioned by Reav3, such as Dr. Mundo, Fiddlesticks, Skarner, Shaco, etc., are more than welcomed
  • Champs that are already being reworked at the moment, such as Kayle/Morgana and the recent Ezreal rework (which hasn't even hit live yet), should considered being left unmentioned. They are either already being worked on or soon to be released and in either case, we don't have enough knowledge or experience to judge them just yet.
  • Champs that have been reworked for a while now and have failed for a majority of what they are suppose to be or what their rework was suppose to do are welcomed. So the such of say Sejuani is fine. (If you mention Ryze, though, you're kind of beating a dead horse)
  • Try to keep your list to 5-6 champs. Reav3 has mentioned that they're going to be doing a 50/50 split of reworks and new champs, similar to 2017. Considering that they are got roughly about 6 updates around that time, it's probably better to assume that we'll roughly get the same number in 2019.
  • Try to at least explain the problems that your chosen champ has on the game, whether it's that they're bad or annoyingly OP/problematic, or even explain how you'd want to see them reworked, in theme or actual gameplay.

With that out of the way, I'll start off with my list:

Chogath Cho'Gath - One of my old, all-time favorite champions when i first started League, Cho hasn't really aged that well. Before his semi-rework he was OK. Basic but got the job done and wasn't that much of a problem (to my knowledge). After his semi-rework he became an absolute monster (for balance). He was pretty high tier for a while, was given a large amount of CC with a knockup, AoE silence, and a slow. Not to mention that he could just stack his ult indefinitely now, which kind of what made him a problem when you add everything together.

Now, while I don't have a clear idea on what his rework should specifically be, I know how the theme of it should go. Cho'Gath for the most part should be similar to a scaling monster, both in terms of gameplay and in theme. His base model starts fairly small and so do his abilities. Over the course of the game though, as he starts to feed (which I guess I should mention he keeps his ult), he becomes bigger, tankier, and his abilities start to become enhanced. They may gain bigger AoEs, they may do additional effects, he should feel like a Kaiju that reigns large area destruction. That's what I initially thought when I first saw him and that's the theme I'ld like to see stay the same. There's even fan made concept art of his rework that I feel would be perfect for him that I recommend you check out if you haven't seen it.

Mordekaiser **Mordekaiser - ** I think a lot of people will want Mord reworked, especially his mains. Reav3 if I recall mentioned that he's very high on their list and would even be surprised if they didn't get to him in 2019. At least I'm sure one Rioter said that. Nevertheless, I think you all know where Mord stands today: a previous OK battlemage reworked as an experiment for a melee carry bot, then suddenly made powerful, nerfed out of bot and just ridden with god knows how many bugs.

Mordekaiser, by no contest, I feel is the new old Yorick: his model is just ugly, gameplay lacking or problematic (depending on how you view it) and overall just lacks a feeling he's there. I can't really say that much about how I'd want to see him, since I don't even dare hover over him in-game (even though I do want to try and play him), but if you know the famous Malicious Metal and seen a few of his posts on what he should be or look like, that's probably what I'd be OK with.

Nocturne Nocturne - Now, Nocturne I don't typically play a lot, nor know what problems he has, but I honestly feel like his theme could be fleshed out a bit more. All he really is right now is dive at carry pre-team fight phase and just try to snowball. He only has one targeted fear effect, Ult is OK IMO but he doesn't really play off as this haunting, nightmarish demon entity. Something that includes more fear effects, maybe give him a bit more team fighting boost would make him seem better themed. Idk, I don't really have that much to say about him but I feel he should get something.

Tryndamere Tryndamere - To put it bluntly, I don't like this guy. I don't like play as him, especially don't like playing against him, he's just a pain and outdated champion. Either you play a champ that he easily counters you and you have your laning experience or you choose a champ to counter him and he basically becomes a sitting bitch (hey, look how far I god without cursing). Free crit chance from his passive, and a pretty large amount at that, is kind of ridiculous to have on a modern day champ when you look at it. The heal is meh I guess if you're not going AP, which let's not forget how stupidly broken that was, W feels clunky since it's only fully effective when enemies are facing away from you, E is just his way of dashing out of trouble and the fact that it just comes off of CD so quick with how it works with crit almost makes it feel like it's only on a 5 second CD and his ult is just his "SCREW YOUR FREE KILL" card. I mean, he can use it during CC. The only reason for that is because if he couldn't, he'd be near useless.

So, yeah I don't like Tryndamere. He's just a champ that I view as annoying but very problematic, mainly because outside of his kit, all he ever does is split push. So half of the time when you face him, you have to just babysit with him in lane so he doesn't immediately push towards your base. It has happened to me in many games and just pisses me off.

Malphite **Malphite - ** I really don't understand why people don't list him higher. He's kind of an outdated tank by many means. His shield is OK, but his Q mainly is just for a single target and then only benefits himself. His W I guess is decent and his E I suppose can be good for attack heavy comps, but really what gets me is his ult. Yes, it is iconic and useful, but to me I almost feel it doesn't give much room to counterplay. Yes, you can make the argument of predicting and timing flash just right to avoid it, but if he is up close to you face and he ults, there is no dodging that. It is point blank range AoE damage and knockup. It's probably one of the more powerful ults in the game, considering its potential of turning a team fight around/ helping Yasuo greatly, but the fact that when he activates it and it just goes off so fast, leaving little time to react, especially like I said up close, it really makes me wonder why people don't bring it up more. And not to mention that this is kind of a large portion of why he's played, so you can argue it's eating his power budget.

DrMundo **Dr Mundo - ** Mundo goes where he pleases, yes, but not to many other's please. This is just a champ that, generally, doesn't really feel that much of a theme. He's all about health and regen, something that can just be countered by a few items and a particular summoner spell. That's it. On top of that, his kit, while basic, may not fully be the best designed. His Q's can just chunk you for little cost to him, W with Sunfire makes insane damage, and not to mention tenacity, E is just... I don't know what it is anymore and ult is what almost makes him broken nowadays since that buff (and I know he got nerfed but bare with me). He's just a champ that could use a bit more work to make his theme more interesting and not just be 'builds lots of health while still doing large amounts of damage.'


So that my list, but what are your thoughts? Are some of my choices similar to yours, do you have different champs you want to see get worked on next year? Discuss below, I'm interested in reading.

117 Comments

Ulkusus10/5/2018, 9:01:01 AM12 votes

Yasuo sits at a global 60% banrate no matter his winrate, indicating how players feel about his current state. But I guess he's too popular...

Von Brohenheim10/5/2018, 4:47:18 AM8 votes

Fiddlesticks Everything about him feels like a dust-covered toy you used to play with, and only remember you still have when you pack your things up to move. Drain is probably the most awkward feeling ability in the game. Dark Wind doesn't do enough damage to poke or clear raptors effectively, but just enough to frustrate ADCs. His Fear is nice, the lack of counterplay on CC that strong is not. His only terrain scaling is his ult, but his tiny health pool means you pretty much need Hourglass to survive it. Which brings me to the biggest problem with Fiddlesticks: when he's behind, he's a caster minion with a fear, when ahead, he cannot keep a killing spree going. His low health and lack of escapes mean Fiddlesticks is usually a Shutdown gold-filled piñata.

Ryze GOOD HEAVENS, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE TIME! IT'S HALF PAST REWORK RYZE O'CLOCK!

Jinx I feel like this character only has a Q and an R. The bouncing chompers from Odyssey were neat; can we just drop Jinx' E range but have them start bouncing after they arm? I have no idea what to do with W. I really can't understand what purpose it serves besides snagging cannon minions while your hypercarry gets bullied, or checking if people are afk. Jinx W feels like I just wasted time and mana I could've spent on Fishbones.

Nami Speaking of skillshots that are more about your opponents lacking the skill to dodge than you aiming them, Nami's Q really only makes sense as a follow-up to someone else's CC. Her heal is a waste of mana unless it bounces at least once, and Tidecaller's Blessing is so... limited for a damage buff. Rakan's existence is a slap in the face to Nami.

DrMundo Garen Do you have a way to consistently apply grievous wounds from range? Gear checks are for MMOs.

Akali Is changing her Shroud to Stealth a rework? Ignite and Towers. That's all I ask.

Teemo Not that it will ever happen, he sells too many skins, but Teemo actually only has two spells. He can blind people, and drop mushrooms. That's it. Running faster for a bit and an AP-scaling on-hit DoT aren't spells. Riot won't rework him, because his E is training wheels for anyone too lazy to use the practice tool to last hit. Kennen is a better version of Teemo in every way except revenue generated, change my mind.

Diana I'm not even going to try to explain this better than ArcSecond. Look him up. Vmhe gives a very eloquent and articulate description of what's wrong with Diana and how to fix it.

ModKnightsKemplar10/4/2018, 3:41:39 AM5 votes

Champs that have been reworked for a while now and have failed for a majority of what they are suppose to be or what their rework was suppose to do are welcomed

On that note, I'd like to nominate Shen.

I have never been a big Shen player. I wish I were, because I think he's a total badass. The problem is that his ult, while super iconic, is just a nightmare for balance between solo queue and pro play. It has to change if Shen is every going to enjoy a healthy, balanced play rate at multiple tiers, imo.

I'm open to being told why I'm super wrong about that, but that's my current opinion.

Galiö10/4/2018, 6:31:59 PM4 votes

Corki

I think he needs an Ezreal level rework and get rid of phosphorous bomb and make it a more interesting ability.

KogMaw

Someone who I think should have a slightly above Ezreal level rework. Get rid of his e and maybe combine wlhis R and Q into something giving freedom of two new spells while still holding the champions identity in check.

Shyvana

Honestly I dont know what to do with this one... idk what shyvana players like about her, what they would wanna keep and change, and what riot as q company would want out of this champion. I just know that she is outdated and outclassed by the other more playable outdated champions.

Sivir

I'd change her bouncing attack ability and mix it with a new passive. I would even make her ultimate a basic ability that acrivitates differently (maybe in connection with the new passive) and a brand new ultimate.

I like how most of my suggestions are marksmen.. lol

Kai Guy10/6/2018, 9:32:27 PM4 votes

Blitzcrank Has needed a complete rework from season 1 onwards. the Q eats to much of his power budget and creates some of the most annoying feast or famine moments in the game. As a support player I feel that you need hard counter him with your pick or you run the possibility of a loss off 1 lucky Q regardless of the players personal skill or what he has contributed during the match.

Tormentula10/16/2018, 10:17:38 PM4 votes

VGU

Nocturne; its hard to really pinpoint his issues, I think it mainly dwells on his itemization and playstyle being weird sometimes. One patch he's an assassin, next patch he's a skirmisher, then a diver, and many seasons ago even a support/tank sometimes. I think his kit could be fleshed out with a more focused direction on what he should be (similar to eve, who always was all over the place sometimes) so he can be balanced as such. ATM he feels like he shows up in the meta with whichever one of his builds shines most for the meta that supports it.

Visually he needs an update, as there is tons of potential here for a really badass character.

I mean look at this:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/2e7741604e1eeb0c29153e2ea0afb32a/tumblr_pfqfwk3IxM1rzi3oko5_500.png

This could be nocturne.

Skarner; thematically he's pretty bad.. he's a giant scorpion, but literally nothing about him is even relatable to a scorpion. He looks like one thats it, but his passive is more lore based and handicaps him, his Q is just an aoe shockwave, his W is a shield which kinda fits a scorpion with their exoskeleton but not really, his E is just a projectile that they at least animated a sting to stun, but the sting just procs the effect rather then does a poison or anything of its own, and his ult is just his identity as a whole, its the only reason you play skarner.

He needs to be more thematically fitting for his design with a revamped kit to support it. Ditch his passive and make his abilities more interesting to him. Keep his ultimate though its probably the only cool this he has. If you want to play a giant scorpion (like me) then there's not a really a reason to play skarner because he's all looks and nothing more in that regard.

Singed He needs an update badly. Outdated kit, outdated visuals, his whole playstyle is to literally cause players mental stress to win, overall this is something that needs flesh out from the ground up for more interactivity.

Fiddlesticks Tryndamere Corki Amumu Blitzcrank Karthus Kassadin Malphite KogMaw Rammus Pantheon Mordekaiser Olaf Shyvana Ryze Teemo Tryndamere MonkeyKing Volibear Udyr Zilean Jax Shaco

I can't speak about their problems or solutions to them as much as I don't really play these guys that frequently, but these definitely need changes dramatically due to age and game health reasons.


Mini VGU (ezreal update)

Kindred; first champion that comes to mind when I think of giving a new make over in character and kit is always this. Thematic mess that doesn't really make sense unless you look so far deep into the lore that it kinda makes sense? yea idk.. I just can't grasp death embodiment being two entities as one and reaping people on the rift as well as being literally always there when you die.. like if you get hit by a car is kindred driving the fucking car? Or is it "oh look wolf.. this man died, should we kill him twice just to be sure and test his spirit that doesn't matter at this point too?"

Gameplay is always unhealthy, when meta its toxic and unfun to play against unless you're stomping them so hard that kindred begins to look like a useless champion, or flat out is one when gutted out of the game for good reasons. Gameplay doesn't match core thematic of two (what the actual fuck am I even supposed to call them.. they're the same "entity" so what's a half of an entity called? An Entity:30?) "characters" working together to hunt down champions. Warwick is a better "finish off the dying" concept and Quinn, Nunu, and even Kayn where they both hate each other make better duo concepts.

I feel like they made it through the drawing board for beautiful writing and narrative alone, even if it makes no sense in league of legend's universe.

Diana; She could be fleshed out a little more, perhaps more interactions too, but generally her gameplay can be fuzzy sometimes. She's an AP fighter (which doesn't exist in metas anymore) that plays more like an assassin (basically the only way to play AP divers at this point), she could use an ability or two touch up to more appropriately give her a proper playstyle.

Katarina; maybe touch her abilities, but really though I mainly just think she needs a VO update. Some might want her kit changed I personally don't care.

Leblanc; everything.

BLACK REALM GOD10/9/2018, 9:22:21 PM3 votes

Alistar Amumu Anivia Annie Ashe Azir Blitzcrank Caitlyn Cassiopeia Corki DrMundo Draven Elise Fiddlesticks Fiora Fizz Garen Gragas Heimerdinger Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Kalista Kassadin Kayle Kennen Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lissandra Malphite Malzahar Maokai MissFortune Mordekaiser Morgana Nami Nautilus Nidalee Nocturne Orianna Olaf Pantheon Quinn Rammus Renekton Rumble Ryze Shaco Shen Singed Sivir Sona ****Soraka Syndra Thresh Trundle TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Varus Vayne Veigar Velkoz Vi Viktor Vladimir Volibear MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Zac Ziggs Zed Zilean Zyra

mailbox head10/5/2018, 8:35:41 PM3 votes

Very surprised to see no mention of MonkeyKing . His passive doesn't match his playstyle, his Q is just a filler.

Zac please revert Zac's ultimate. He used to be super fun and effective. I haven't really touched him since the rework.

dome02510/5/2018, 11:46:01 PM3 votes

Zac (mini VGU) His tank update rework made him more of an one sided pick and changed his thematic/how it feels to play him heavily. His new q visuals are garbage. He feels way more clunky and less fluent than before and way less energetic. His new ult makes the gap between pro play and soloq too big. His new q feels completely awkward in 1vs1 situations. He could be fixed relative easily (gameplay wise). Revert his ult and rework his q based on the old q. However visually it could be kinda problematic to work on him again (especially with new skins he hadn´t prior the update). It would kinda be a mini VGU like Ezreal, rework his Q while the other abilities stay the same (except the ult which would be only reverted). But I guess Zac is Karma 2.0 (or Karma 3.0 depending how you feel about Shen), a rushed rework and then left to rot.

Kindred (Aatrox style VGU -> more gameplay oriented) They had so much potential but never lived up to it. They just feel like a lamb with her pet walking around the rift instead of the lamb and the wolf who embody the grim reaper of runeterra. The lamb allowing for a peaceful death while the wolf hunts you down. But no their R needs to save everyone from the death itself and it feels like the wolf is non existent, so you could basically name the champion Lamb and it would make more sense. They also suffer from some gameplay problems.

MasterYi (full VGU -> WW style) I disagree here with Reav3`s opinion. He mentioned that it´s good to have simple champions around and that Yi is fine. I agree with him that it´s good to have simple champions around but that doesn´t mean it´s fine when those lack meaningful counterplay. Currently Yi offers no other counterplay than "do something against him while he is weak early", "cc chain him". "focus him first" and "don´t get into a 1vs1 against him". He needs a WW like VGU, he stays simple while getting better/more counterplay.

Mordekaiser Tryndamere DrMundo Garen Shen Karma Zilean And some others too, for some obvious reasons.

Śhunpo10/16/2018, 3:49:50 PM3 votes

Katarina - I want to see her reverted. Her current iteration goes against her identity and she feels absolutely awful to play as and against.

MissMikasa11/20/2018, 3:18:17 PM2 votes

Only one I want is an actual revert of his stupid rework.

Galio

They did him a disservice with this rework. His old kit was ten times better than this stupid macho tank with no identity.

PlantagenNega10/5/2018, 10:22:23 PM2 votes

Let me share my list with you :) Vayne Zoe Volibear Mordekaiser Nocturne Udyr

Linna Excel10/8/2018, 12:43:18 AM2 votes

I'd like to see some champs reverted, like Sejuani or Katarina, but I don't think riot will do that.

Mordekaiser - to placate the morde mains. Frankly if a champ's mains are begging for him to be reworked, riot should listen. However I'm thinking riot needs CertainlyT to do him. CT, even if we don't like his new champions, probably is best able to get the core mechanical gameplay of champs he reworks. Yes he can toss things out. Yes he can take an annoying mechanic and make it worse. But I think he at least tries to understand how to properly play the champ unlike 90% of rito.

He looks bad. He clunky. Riot trying to force him into bot lane was a mistake. He really should be one of riot's top 3 rework priorities.

Shyvana (probably MasterYi and Udyr too) - I think all of the melee run at you junglers probably need a rework but for different reasons. Udyr at the very least needs a VU, but his kit is really simple. Yi is kind of broken in low elo and a joke in high elo, so riot needs to put him in a better spot. Shyvana is hard to recommend to anyone because she really doesn't fit what riot wants out of a jungler and her design just doesn't work with what the game needs. I love her, but she doesn't fit into the game anymore and people are better off picking Graves who does everything she does better.

Ivern - he was a mistake to make, riot needs to correct it. He's weird. I don't think a jungle support was a great idea. He's practically unplayed. His passive has issues. Basically riot should delete him, refund everyone who got him, and try to do the best "not maokai" treant idea they can.

Zyra - riot needs to fix her plant AI and help out her mid lane, but I don't think that is going to happen without a VGU.

Evelynn - I hate this thing. Burn it like the weeb bait it is and rework it. Seriously, there are a lot of reworks where I don't like bits and pieces of, but this one I hated everything about. I don't like the new look. I don't like the new lore. I don't like her gameplay now. I don't like the charm. I don't like that she isn't hybrid anymore. Throw it in the garbage, set it on fire, and rework Evelynn from scratch. I'm even willing to give up the yearly Ryze rework to make this happen.

Amumu - I think he only really needs a VU so why not give him a little clean up?

Fertsa10/4/2018, 5:38:14 PM2 votes

i'd like VUs for Veigar Corki Amumu and to a lesser extent Teemo they look outdated compared to the other yordles

yándere10/7/2018, 2:07:47 AM2 votes

I would really like a class rework for enchanter supports, especially Janna Lulu Karma Sona Soraka

They have mostly been overlooked in this thread so far, but I think most people can agree that champions like Janna, Soraka and Lulu are hugely problematic and need to be examined. This season, Riot gutted shields and shield items (rip Ivern). A champion like Bard for example, who was meant as an enchanter, now takes electrocute and does tons of damage in lane while his shrine ability is basically useless other than as a minor speed buff.

Karma in particular is just complete trash, especially when you examine games in Diamond+, she is practically non-existent and rocking a 43% winrate. I would consider her rework a failure; it just served to make her more boring and one-dimensional, while at least before there were some variable elements to her play.

Meanwhile, champions like Thresh and Alistar have been allowed to terrorize high elo games for MONTHS and Thresh was even BUFFED last patch just for worlds. I don't understand why, but Riot has decided they hate enchanters. If you dislike their playstyle that much, just rework them. Please stop leaving champions in the gutter while Yasuo can't be allowed to leave the meta for more than a patch.

Shahamut10/6/2018, 9:05:21 PM2 votes

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The Highest Noon1/11/2019, 6:48:15 PM1 votes

I'm surprised that nobody is talking about Kassadin .

  • Hasn't gotten a gameplay update since the start of the game (unless you count all the nerfs)
  • Hasn't gotten a visual update since the stat of the game (unless you count the "brush-up" which didn't change anything, just improved the look)
  • Has gotten a whole daughter and STILL no rework

Let's be real. He's a champion as old as the game itself. He has a new character that's part of his lore now. He isn't fun to play. He isn't fun to look at. His dialogue doesn't even hold any relevancy to his current state nor the current state of the game. He NEEDS a rework.

Inkling Commando1/11/2019, 6:58:04 PM1 votes

honestly either Ivern or Corki .

PrinceOfStorms1/12/2019, 9:53:44 AM1 votes

Honestly Vladimir really needs it. Riot perennially doesn't really know what they want to do with him that fits within his core identity (vampire bloodmage) and is balanced. It seems like any time Vlad finds something he can abuse, it gets nerfed shortly after, with Dark Harvest being the latest casualty. Right now his kit is basically a mess and his abilities, while iconic to him, don't really have that much interaction between each other aside from E (you can press W while channeling E without interrupting the channel, and pressing Q or R during the E channel uses the ability, then does the E damage). The change in the Mage update that added Crimson Rush was a step in the right direction but it would be interesting to see more abilities interact with it.

Like maybe have W consume Crimson Rush to give Vlad the full MS boost for its entire duration rather than decaying it, and healing Vlad for 100% of the damage he deals with it. Or have R consume it to give Vlad the healing from Hemoplague's pop immediately, and again after it pops. Maybe E could do a little more damage and either get longer range or apply a stronger slow.

Alternatively, one idea that I had was to replace his current E with a toned down single target version of his R (and could consume Crimson Rush to become AoE, but since it's not his R it wouldn't have a brief decaying slow rather than a damage amp attached to it), and his R could get replaced by a toggle that gives him increasingly large amounts of damage/healing amp and flat CDR (which would stack with and break the CDR cap) but cause him to take increasingly large amounts of damage per second. The longer Vlad maintains his R, the more damage/healing he'd do and the more he could spam his spells, but he'd be playing on the bleeding edge - eventually Vlad would have to toggle it off or risk dying because it becomes untenable to maintain it. This would also add some counterplay to him in the form of buying Grievous Wounds, which would severely limit the amount of time Vlad would be able to sit in his R (without risking you just randomly killing him because he makes himself low).

5050BS1/15/2019, 11:18:14 PM1 votes

Kennen Leblanc Malzahar Shaco Teemo Udyr Veigar Zyra

Reverted RekSai Rengar Leblanc Swain

Brotha1/19/2019, 5:37:18 AM1 votes

Kindred This beautiful aesthetic champion has the best vocals in the game. I love their lore. I love their bond. I absolutely hate their gameplay. You're not Kindred, you're Lamb. Wolf is only one of your abilities and really does not feel like ANYTHING but a spell effect. The ultimate makes absolutely no sense, even from a lore standpoint. The floating head is a massive turn off to me. I'd much rather they replace her ultimate with a form swap where you can become melee Wolf and your W instead has a floating kindred mask to act as your new W ability. Let Lamb remain the mobile adc, let Wolf be the beefy debuffer.

DrMundo I don't know what this thing is supposed to be and that needs to change. Outdated kit, just turn him into a Frankenstein monster already.

Lulu Just delete this purple fking rat in general. No rework, no revert, just kill it for the love of God.

O Fallen Scholar1/22/2019, 11:19:59 AM1 votes

I wish Riven's W and passive was more interesting.

Predatoratorr1/22/2019, 12:39:37 PM1 votes

Skarner
Because as someone else said, he just got the looks of a crystal scorpion, but his skills don't really express that feeling. Right now if you want to have success with him, you have to play a tanky ultbot, which is not what he was conceived for.

What i want from the rework is to deliver us a predatory skarner, the implacable predator that sticks to you and never lets you go that was primosed to us.

This reworking or replacing entirely his passive. The concept is good and unique to Skarner among league, but it's really poorly executed, and just limits him to the jungle, where he can harness it more reliably. I'm all for some kind of ambient passive that aids him in setting up an aggression (scorpions are territorial creatures, and they ambush their prey rather than chasing it down) but as skarner i should be able to harness it reliably use it across the map, as other champions can use theirs.

Replace his Q. At this point it's just spammable aoe and the only reason you'd build any sheen items. Make it into a scorpion-y move, where he actually uses his claws to grasp or impair the target. that'd make it less frustrating not to build sheen items on him, freeing him to go for other buildpaths.

W is really nice and all of its own, especially since it now scales off of %total hp. also the exhoskeleton theme fits skarner. i don't really know how to change it besides for small changes as maybe a base value, or a small passive to modernize it.

His E is going to change regardless. it's his best skill besides of his ult, but only because they strapped so much to it. idk how much would i change it tho: with his W it helps skarner to gapclose from range. i'd be ok if they change it to still work toghether with his W. i like the idea that you have to both slow down your target and accelerate yourself with the right timing to gapclose, feels rewarding. because skarner needs a way to gapclose, and that can be either on one of his skills, or split between two.

His R is simply unique to him, and i'd hardly change it. i'd love if they could increase its range a bit, by lets say 50-100 units, so it could be like an harpoon. going at melee range to grab people right now is already hard as skarner, but this could make the skill out of line.

Dicerson12/13/2018, 3:06:49 AM1 votes

Fiddlesticks

IMO Fiddle is the new old poppy. Sure, he can work, and do work, and be somewhat effective. But it's the way in which he does this that is problematic. He's a onetrick pony, an ult-bot just like old poppy was. At this juncture, half his kit exists solely to help him keep up with other junglers. His fear exists as a get off me button and a very, very short stun (given the prevalence of tenacity and other cc reducing/negating effects). The issue is it's so easy to target and hit with, it can't be any more powerful than it is or it becomes overbearing.

Of course the crux of his kit is his ultimate, it's where ~70% of his power is concentrated, and that's a huge problem.

In my opinion, Fiddle needs a rework to balance him out more. Right now he is heavily lopsided towards his ultimate, and I think he needs some new mechanics or flat out completely replaced abilities in order to make him a bit more versatile. I, myself, have made numerous posts in the past on this topic, though none of them ever gained traction of any kind :/

Pika Fox10/8/2018, 12:56:04 AM1 votes

Other than ones confirmed for a rework (kayle needs it desperately), twisted fate. Hes so weird and disjointed between trying to be a weird auto attack user but is a poke mage with Q, and lacking in combat mobility.

MessyStuff2/20/2019, 5:07:59 AM1 votes

Mordekaiser This guy really needs a rework. Right now, basically, he does damage if he gets close to you, but since he's the slowest champ in the game(my opinion) with absolutely no dashes, there's no way that if you walk a little back while hitting him, he's gonna die. Also combined with the fact of his bugs. Fiddlesticks This guy is just outdated. His kit is outdated and his visuals are definitely outdated. His kit isn't interactive at all, in lane, just spam e and if they get close q,w them. Then in teamfights just ult and zhonya and you are done. Ryze This guy actually has 44.18 win rate because he gets broken in pro play and has to be nerfed to the ground. Kalista Same reason as Ryze DrMundo This guy is outdated and is basically, just a healing bot. He is countered by a single item and isn't interactive.

nobotninja10/19/2018, 2:54:20 PM1 votes

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Hibeki10/7/2018, 1:39:15 AM1 votes

Im going to list evven some newer ones because I want ANOTHER rework

Akali Ekko Graves Fiora Fiddlesticks Kayle Malzahar MasterYi Mordekaiser Nasus Nidalee Pantheon Riven Swain Tryndamere Vladimir Yasuo Zed Zoe Just to name some

Bacon Bacon1/5/2019, 9:42:58 PM1 votes

Those who really need it: Amumu Annie DrMundo Kayle Malphite Pantheon Rammus Singed Shyvana Skarner Tryndamere TwistedFate Volibear Xerath MasterYi Fiddlesticks Quinn Heimerdinger

What my heart says: Akali Yasuo Fizz Irelia Jax LeeSin MasterYi Yasuo Malzahar Neeko Riven Rengar Shaco Teemo Tryndamere Vayne MonkeyKing Zoe Yasuo Janna