Ezreal, Yet Again the Bane of Junglers

RyuPhalian·7/10/2015, 3:53:27 AM·58 votes·3,518 views

Because of Mid Lane Ezreal, Runeglaive is being nerffed in the PBE by having its AoE not activating unless it hits a Jungle Camp. This wouldn't annoy me if it weren't for 2 factors.

That it's only Ezreal and yet Riot feels they need to nerf all AP junglers and not the champion abusing the item (punish the victim, that's real smart)
This isn't the first time this has happened. Back in Season 3 the item Spirit of the Elder Lizard was nerfed because our favorite skill shot ADC brought it into lane and abused it.

I am serious, Ezreal abuses every decent on-hit item into the ground after they are released. I can bet money that AD Ezreal would be the next fad looking at the new Warrior Jungle Enchantment. I don't want to sound like I am ranting but there is always a pattern. Riot makes a strong On-Hit item, Ezreal abuses it, Riot nerfs it to near useless. Wince, Repeat.

49 Comments

Kãtãrinã7/10/2015, 4:06:21 AM15 votes

Don't worry elder lizard is coming back on warrior. only to be nerfed to the ground because we all know who will bring it to lane.

Rockii7/10/2015, 10:10:46 AM8 votes

If you can remember when item 3146 got nerfed because of Akali being overpowered using it, which made Mordekaiser supreme build become trash.

Riot is repeating that again.

DeusVult7/10/2015, 6:57:54 PM4 votes

Its not like they can't code in item interactions for specific champs to stop them from abusing it

Shyvana item 3077 item 3074 :)

Trídent7/10/2015, 4:22:50 PM3 votes

Just bring Magus back.....

Solidair37/10/2015, 1:18:42 PM3 votes

I wish Riot would just make it so his Q can't apply runeglaive.

I wonder if he'll abuse the new Warrior enchant from next patch, too...

Jungle Lux God7/10/2015, 7:01:38 PM2 votes

Technically this isn't too big of a nerf.

Ezreal was really the only champ that was looking for the AoE proc in PVP combat. Everyone else either looked for the single-target proc, didn't look for the proc in the first place, or only looked for the proc on jungle monsters (which is more the case for non-meta AP junglers that need the mana regen from Runeglaive that don't normally jungle).

Of course, it doesn't change the fact that Runeglaive still isn't that great of an item. What it does is that it expands the jungle champion pool to include those that can jungle well but don't have the mana sustain to do it, but then shrinks it to those that can jungle, use a sheen proc well, AND cannot go into a solo lane (where you'd just get Lich Bane instead), or those that can jungle fine without a jungle item.

Of course Ezreal is going to abuse the new Warrior too, and I made a thread talking about how to keep laners like Ezreal from abusing the jungle items. If anyone's interested, you can find the thread right here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/4M372eyq-how-to-fix-laners-taking-jungle-items

OperationDEEZ17/10/2015, 8:36:12 AM2 votes

What is so wrong with having a viable smite for laners again? Besides rito telling us it's bad?

Troy2426217/10/2015, 7:15:59 PM2 votes

Diana Was nice while it lasted,....

Erockandroll7/10/2015, 4:09:54 AM2 votes

I mentioned this is another thread. But RuinGlaive has a problem of giving wave clear to those not meant to have wave clear. Ez may be the only offender, but it reveals an aspect of Ruinglaive that Riot really doesn't support.

Also we had a midlane smite Diana in the LCS today, so we can't actually say that Ez is the only offender.

slipstreem7/10/2015, 7:56:11 PM1 votes

Is it really so hard to make the effect go off on monsters and champions ONLY... solves the wave clear problem.

RedTrinketGoneHa7/10/2015, 11:27:58 PM1 votes

You guys are forgetting the biggest issue with Runeglaive. It's the fact that it was unintentionally procing non on hit effects, this made it good on AP ez cause his Q could proc Ludens, which removed a huge weakness from his kit. Now that it doesn't proc Ludens on abilities that apply on hit effects, I see no reason to nerf him or the converting to magic damage part. If they code the item auto itself to not proc Ludens all would be fine.

Squidblimp7/11/2015, 2:35:56 AM1 votes

They changed it so the AoE doesn't proc on non-monsters and made it so it doesn't come convert your autos into magic damage, but Ezreal was only abusing that last part because it made his Q work with his magic pen. The AoE should remain, because that way Ezreal chooses Lich Bane for better single target burst, or takes smite for the weaker AoE Sheen proc.

LOL Spammer7/11/2015, 4:36:28 PM1 votes

You know what bothers me most about smite ez. Well let me get into detail. So remember when before smite laners was a thing us junglers were complaining about laners taking our camps because they were litteraly wasting 30 gold off the planet of the rift every time they took a camp. Well now we can't even say that because they can go and take our camps and all we can do is just say like ... Y you steal my camp w/ smite?

Sukishoo7/10/2015, 4:06:58 AM1 votes

Just ban in every game, problem solved.

RottedApples7/10/2015, 6:55:22 AM1 votes

I thought it was comical that ezreal of all people took the jungle item after the elder lizard happened.

I haven't touched blue build since elder lizard got nerfed out of it. I prefer my triforce rush.

Malix Farwin7/10/2015, 7:30:53 AM1 votes

Well w/e i went ap jungle since Runeglaive was introduced, i just would never finish the item, upgrade it once then built useful items. Not sure if nerfing it to the ground will change much for other ap junglers tbh.

kile1477/10/2015, 7:41:32 AM1 votes

I wouldn't call Runglaive an On-hit item. item 3726 / item 3933 is an on-hit item, and I believe that Spirit of the Elder Lizard proc'ed on physical damage, not just AA?

I'd agree that Ez abuses a lot of items, but it's not unique to jungle items. His Q is a short CD, high damage, long range AA which scales with both AP and AD all of which meaning it synergizes really well with anything that it can possibly proc, which is a lot due to its unique nature. Spellblades, some on-hits, physical damage, all can be proced by his Q and most of those were never meant to be spammed at long range ( item 3025 ). I think his Q is a really cool and unique move, but it's going to abuse a lot of stuff by design and I think that Riot needs to change how it interacts with items, either as a whole or on a case by case basis.

Ace Access 7/10/2015, 1:11:11 PM1 votes

why don't they just make it not deal AoE on non-camp targets for Ezreal only ? this would work so well

kunkudunk7/10/2015, 3:04:53 PM1 votes

I never found runeglaive ez that op, it was good but not op. It just helped soften his bad early game really, he would still sell the item late game for lich bane anyway.

Biffolo7/10/2015, 4:03:04 PM1 votes

And this is why off builds shouldn't be kept around anymore. If they gutted all his ratios a while back, this wouldn't even be a discussion we are having. They killed ap trist, they killed ad malph, one can only hope ap ezreal is next on that list.

SoMNia7/10/2015, 7:47:13 PM1 votes

It was supposed to help AP champs clear the jungle, not farm lanes and splitpush. It's true that giving AP Ezreal cheap and reliable AoE damage in lane is a problem, but Runeglaive was never intended to do that for ANYONE.

Still, I'd like to see it do SOMETHING unique that Lich Bane doesn't, and aiding jungle clears or 10% CDR just isn't that. Cinderhulk multiplies bonus health, Devourer is...well, Devourer, and now Warrior is getting on-damage burn. Runeglaive will now feel more than ever like a mini Lich Bane. That's boring, not to mention slot-inefficient. Maybe if the AoE triggered when attacking monsters or champions, but not minions...