Riot needs to stop listening to Hashinshin

KnifeCat·8/19/2018, 1:47:51 AM·20 votes·5,576 views

Honestly, bruisers were never “weak”, they were just outclassed by tanks (who are also not “weak”. they’re as strong as ever, they’re just now outclassed by bruisers). Conqueror should have never been added. Tanks should have just been nerfed in the first place.

Also, i wanna talk about Jax for a second. Honestly, a good Jax is one of the most bs things to play against, he’s like a tank with hyper carry levels of damage, he has insane mobility, an aoe stun which can dodge autos on a low cd, and not to mention he’s one of the best splitpushers AND duelists, i don’t even think there is a champ that can 1v1 duel Jax if he isn’t behind and doesn’t mess up (maybe Fiora) but Hashinshin would have you believe Jax is “weak”. Rito stop listening to this guy.

29 Comments

Meep Man8/19/2018, 6:06:03 AM10 votes

I don't think they are listening to him to be honest.

Mizaya8/19/2018, 2:16:45 AM9 votes

Seriously, this is a guy who has people on twitch chat banned for disagreeing with him

SwiftKitten888/19/2018, 1:53:08 AM5 votes

Hashinshin is just the most biased top laner in the game

he thinks if the champ he wants cant 1v9 its worthless

im sure everyone remember his complaining about stopwatch

oh noes something that prevent u from being tower dove? we cant have that..

like dude towerdiving used to be a thing you would do on specific champions if the even had like 100 hp under tower... not being diving tanks 1v1 from full hp...

if u can do that then we clearly DO need item 2419 at least until they fix damage enough so thats not possible

but no... if he cant 1v9.. suddenly he starts whining and crying like a baby.

pretty pathetic to see a grown man.. especially one of his skill and experience at league , become so biased and ignorant of actual balance.

im not saying item 2420 should have been added.... we should never have gotten to the point where it needed to be. but it is a bandaid fix.. and until riot can fix the actual game.. its better than NOT having it. and actually they did a pretty good job taking some great steps forward this patch at fixing it so i hope they keep at it.

Hayaishi8/19/2018, 3:37:22 AM4 votes

Tbh Jax should be nerfed quite hard. He is very ridiculous atm.

d0riyah8/19/2018, 4:29:55 AM3 votes

If i had to talk about balancing Jax without being biased because I main Jax, I have to say: Reduce his armor, magic resist, and armor per level. He should need tank items to be insanely tanky. Reduce his ult's armor and mr, but increase the scaling. This way he actually needs to build items to be tanky while ulting. Reduce the ult passive and w damage, but increase the scaling. This way if he builds classic attack damage items (Triforce, Hydra, Gage) he can still get his auto cancel but it won't do an absurd amount of damage even without AP. Increase leap strike and counter strike scaling, so he's not nerfed into the ground with the above changes. Reduce the passive attack speed a little. Getting up to 18% attack speed by attacking as an auto based champion is a bit too much. DO NOT REMOVE HIS E AUTO DODGING. That is the only thing that makes him different from Xin or Udyr for example. I'll get downvotes for saying this but having e auto dodging is pretty hard to pull off effectively in big fights and using it correctly should let you outplay the enemy.

This seems reasonable to me, as he's basically freelo currently.

MrFawknSunshine8/19/2018, 2:00:32 AM3 votes

no one should ever listen to hashinshin, shit any broken clock is right twice a day.

and tanks havent been strong in a while , typically went down hill after conqueror came out then the nerfs to TP really hurt too. but more importantly tanks have no stats for lane, they get no armor /mr from runes til 10 mins if you and thats a BIG IF you take conditioning, overgrowth typically is bad til mid game so they get no hp and no armor or mr in laning phase. yet out classed by damaged ( i know they should be ) but when bruiser/fighters/juggernauts have as much if not more base hp early lvls and as much armor/mr as tanks do tanks are just shit early. and in a fast aggressive damage meta which is what he have had for a while they fall further behind.

Shablagoo8/19/2018, 4:49:23 AM3 votes

First I am going to say that tanks where broken when conq wasnt in the game, how many times did they have to nerf aftershock because of how oppressive it was in lane? Mao being able to slap you in the face repeatedly without taking any dmg because early game 70+ armor and mr was insane. Tanks were oppressive Ornn was a nightmare in top lane, I am honestly glad that he is not meta anymore because he shouldnt be.

That being said I honestly agree though, one because hash is toxic another because sometimes even when he has good idea's he is bias. In truth Juggernauts did need a true rune they could rune, but he has said nothing about the toxic effect this rune presents. 20% true dmg has literally completely made tanks useless even affecting bot lane wardens, only making them useful when echanters were massively nerfed. It makes building resistence useless how is anyone suppose to tank? I did not understand why they didnt just make it the old fever of battle, it wouldve made more sense. Jax isnt op he is just made over the top with conq, same with a lot of brusiers.

Eedat8/19/2018, 2:07:29 AM2 votes

They don't lol. Hashinshin is the embodiment of the saying "even a broken clock is correct twice a day". For every 1 time they've "listened to Hashinshin" you're ignoring 100 times they did not. It's hilarious how a thread actually trying to say Jax is overloaded is getting upvoted. Jax has clear weaknesses and powerspikes. He's also very telegraphed. This "tank with hypercarry damage" is so absurd that it's borderline comical. Bruisers were dogshit useless a few months ago and everyone knows it. Congrats dude, you sound just like Hashinshin in reverse.

Häxel8/19/2018, 2:12:36 PM1 votes

They really not lsiten much to him. All he said was that Bruisers need a keystone if they balance press the attack around adcs adn then they made one. But he alsos ays Conqueror is weaka dn would liek to have far more fervor of battle.

Also about your jax claim, a q jump on eenemys and wards is insane mobility? Like half of Leagues champs has moge mobility than this. For example, lee sin would be super duper mobility? Akali is mobility? There was also this tie Bruisers there so bad but also quite some tanks that high elo and lcs palyed jax full tank. Really just for the aoe stun with flash qe. Yea, that time he was a tank. yes he dodges autos and gets resis with ult, but with so much damage in the game h not even survives that long. Only know with 8.16 you could think about if Jax is to strong then the dmg runes in sorcery and domination got nerfed. But regardless on someones opinions on hash i just think you are on a jax hatetrain and cause hash plays jax and makes many complains rant now over hash and not otherwise.

The Ecdysiast8/19/2018, 6:09:23 AM1 votes

Teeeechnically tanks are not "as strong as ever." Their class update specifically nerfed items for use against diversity of damage.

Barcid8/19/2018, 6:45:03 AM1 votes

I don't really know who Hashinshin is, nor do I actually really care. But I read "tanks are not weak they're as strong as ever" in tandem with "tanks should have just been nerfed in the first place" and I just about had an aneurysm.

Almost like there's a reason everyone's playing primarily damage dealing champs right now - because dealing damage is far more important and impactful than eating it or controlling enemies.

It's like you're in your own little world about what the meta is right now and just how much of a joke it is to play a true blue tank (Naut, Sej, Sion) and expect to win against a team of ADC's and hyper-mobile assassins.

Before I get the usual "But muh Udyr" or "But muh Darius, those fuckers do not qualify as true blue tanks - tanky does not equal a tank. A Yasuo can be tanky but you'd never call him a tank. True tanks normally sacrifice damage scaling in favor of crowd control and utility - a self-shield on Naut, Sej getting her armor increase, Sion's plethora of stuns and slows. These tanks all combine high bases (in order to compensate for their shit scaling and thereby what their buildpaths are meant to be, straight bulk) with CC and self-buffs to provide a protective wall. Darius just smashes people in the skull with a basketball (in most cases, a wolf axe in others) and Udyr charges in and claws towers until the end days. Both have straight damage builds that are actually relatively viable (if hard as hell to pull off) and mostly specialize in their "cc" of death.

You are exclusively thinking of bruisers. Tanks right now are a joke.

Queš8/19/2018, 7:56:48 AM1 votes

Gold 5 oce expert,thank you for you opinion

Colton1478/19/2018, 8:00:51 AM1 votes

Riot needs to listen to me; I'd be much better at balance than Hashinshin. [poppy-wink]

LynXerf8/19/2018, 11:58:15 AM1 votes

I'm a Jax main myself with 2.1 million mastery points. I fully expect downvotes for that please don't disappoint.

I don't think Riot actually listens to Hash except for the through the counterstrike. Jax's buffs to counterstrike has actually made him stronger than in previous seasons, with the bug fixes to this he can now duel strong champs even when they are in meta, like Renekton.

Jax needs some damage nerfs and a little more defense. I have mained him since S2 and he is certainly more capable or damage now compared to other bruisers, and he also blows up quickly unless itemized. His design philosophy is to be exceptional in long trades but he isn't really filling that role now - he has become as much of an assassin as fighter now. I remember having to dive ADC and kill them in 2 rotations through the backline which would require me using my counterstrike at the best possible time. Now it's the case of activate e > jump in and oneshot and then probably die.

Fix Jax please - lower his damage (front loaded Q damage is so high, followed with free AA reset on hydra and W to also proc ult auto), and increase his tankiness to move him to duelist from assassin.

Trailsmix8/19/2018, 12:19:13 PM1 votes

Bruisers were an ignored class... they never had a rune that they could use 100% of the time... Tanks had a whole rune page that increased their stats... bruisers had items... LCS is always going to pick a safe champion... players who want to climb and win constantly will use tank champions... because tank champions outshine bruisers... so why have bruisers? Tanks should be CC... bruisers should be damage and tank... they are kinda a jack of all trades... not dealing a lot of damage, but not able to take so much. It's a problem when THE WHOLE COMMUNITY OF TOP LANERS POINT OUT THAT TANKS ARE TOO STRONG ATM... its a problem when the damage is too high that Scara points it out... it a problem when a whole class has no good runes to take because of how they are... Runes are a joke... and Tanks are good... that doens't mean that bruisers can't also have some spotlight... BRUISERS AREN't THE PROBLEM IN THIS SHITTY GAME... it's the rune system... people who think tank meta isn't a problem... WHY? tank meta is a problem.. damage meta is a problem... there needs to be a balance... Yeah, yeah... don't trust a broken clock... but when the broken clock is pointing out problems... Then maybe it isn't fucking broken... and yeah... nerf GRASP... it does WAY too much

Wild Geese8/19/2018, 12:52:55 PM1 votes

It only feels like they're listening to him because he complains about everything except bruisers and they've changed everything this year.

(But they also nerfed bruisers so they can't be listening to him.)