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Seriously, can we stop pretending Marksmen NEED Hurricane?

Pyro·10/17/2016, 2:04:05 AM·79 votes·4,774 views

I see so many people say that Hurricane is 100% necessary for their beloved ADCs to succeed.

Newsflash!: Their kits were designed to work on their own.

Caitlyn's job is NOT to waveclear from afar like a boss and charge Headshots like crazy. She's supposed to be the long-range single target sniper. That's what she's supposed to be, no Hurricane needed, just enough damage to do so!

Jinx's job is to just reign supreme in Teamfights with strong AoE attacks She has a huge AoE damage from her rockets alone, she doesn't need Hurricane for that.

Ashe's job is NOT to slow you with repeated autoattack spams that hit both her main targets and you. She's about sniping you from afar, stunning you and killing you with the help of her team

Twitch's job is NOT to attack everyone adjacent to his target, just behind them.

The pattern is clear; Hurricane provides an ADDED bonus to these champion's kit, not something that's 100% necessary. In fact I'd argue that the extra attacks is excessive power and being abused just because the item offers a ton of AS and crit:

Seriously, anyone who thinks it should be a core part of a Marksman's build is either: A) High B) Dumb as heck C) A masochist or, most likely D) An ADC Main

Yes, Rylai's needs a nerf. Yes, it's being used on too many mages (Syndra is definitely an abuse case, Viktor might be as well).

But Brand has always been balanced around using that item and it's silly to pretend otherwise.

93 Comments

The Deckowner10/17/2016, 2:09:07 AM38 votes

I honestly think hurricane and caitlyn headshot interaction is really toxic and should be changed.

The Whamboozler10/17/2016, 5:52:09 AM13 votes

Do you remember when Hurricane was a god-awful noob trap?

Pepperidge farm remembers.

DrCyanide10/17/2016, 2:23:00 AM12 votes

I love how some people are pretending that the Mage Update didn't specifically change some abilities (like Viktor 's E and Ult, Xerath 's Ult) in a way that made them far more inclined to want Rylai's to land their damage.

Jad10/17/2016, 5:15:41 AM10 votes

As an ADC Main I can confirm, its pretty stupid.

KoKoboto10/17/2016, 4:40:47 AM6 votes

Hurricane isn't as overbearing as Rylai's. On paper is sounds god damn OP, but in game not so much. If the enemy gets Hurricane I'm usually like "well guess they have more waveclear" If the enemy gets Rylai's I'm usually like "damn I gotta account for all the extra slow I'm gonna be having to deal with, also that bonus health and more damage" If Frozen Mallet was a more viable item for marksmen I'd be a bit upset about it as well but Frozen Mallet is to some extent balanced.

junglerboy1610/17/2016, 4:40:17 AM6 votes

I preferred when Runaan's was a niche item for wave clear and on-hit champs, not a go-to crit item

Irelia Bot10/17/2016, 4:21:53 AM5 votes

Delete Hurricane and Rylai's

I am fine with this idea.

Spoofghoul10/17/2016, 10:14:55 AM5 votes

Hurricane should have remained a pure attack speed item.

The crit and movement boost suck, now its almost mandatory on every adc.

It amplifies everything from inherent kit things like aoe rockets and headshots toblack cleaver shredding and lifesteal. Thats a big enough feature as it is, adding crit to the item was a huge mistake, as is adding mobility to all these marksmen items

Marshbouy10/17/2016, 2:18:55 AM4 votes

Yes, Rylai's needs a nerf. Yes, it's being used on too many mages (Syndra is definitely an abuse case, Viktor might be as well).

But Brand has always been balanced around using that item and it's silly to pretend otherwise.

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Kog And Balls10/17/2016, 3:15:38 AM4 votes

Of the zeal items Hurricane is definitely in a class of its own. It boasts high Attack speed and move speed as well as a unique passive with some extreme interactions Headshot being one of them. I hope the item can be brought into line with the other zeal options or have RFC and Shiv become more lucrative to carries who frequently opt for Hurricane.

Steelflame10/17/2016, 6:40:32 AM4 votes

I much prefer the version of Hurricane that had 0 crit, but 70% AS. Far less effective on ADCs who want later crit, as rushing it means they can't follow up with IE effectively, and it means if they want Frevor + Hurricane + Crit they have to give SOMETHING up, most likely their mid game as they get a second AS item in Zeal before being able to get IE (And it be gold effective, as IE is not gold effective without at least one other crit item).

It also is better for actual on hit champs, who want more frequent attacks without caring about the crit anyway usually.

Boom, Hurricane is back to being what it SHOULD be, a Niche item to give you a ton of AoE power as an ADC.

Also yes, this is a shitpost thread about Rylias, but it's a valid case to for Hurricane which is it's own problem (Cait, looking at you with Hurricane traps). Def one of my less liked parts of the rework for ADC items.

Finn Teh Human10/17/2016, 4:15:51 AM3 votes

As an ADC main I think it's a really good item considering what it offers. But no, you don't need it. Although it brings to the table many different things depending on the ADC (like some have mentioned Caitlyn).

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Nyanza10/17/2016, 5:51:48 AM2 votes

To be fair, Twitch used to build item 3077 and then he would attack everyone adjacent to his target.

Best Darius KR10/17/2016, 7:53:41 PM2 votes

Quality copy-paste.

Arthimetes10/18/2016, 5:45:25 AM1 votes

Alot of mages have been balanced around rylais being a core/rush item now, but if rylais gets nerfed and isnt built every single game by every single mage, it will finally open the mages up to some buffs or changes

Maybe Brand can get his Q stun back to 2 seconds, or maybe Cassio can have her passive movespeed buffed.

A class being balanced AROUND an item proves that that item needs changed.

CrazedPorcupine10/17/2016, 6:21:33 AM1 votes

Before Hurricane got it's stats reworked to include crit and MS, not a SINGLE ADC bought it outside of "LOL" joke builds because all it offered was the AoE.

Everyone Knew it enhanced Cait's headshot stacks, Jinx's AoE rockets, and Ashe's Q, but no one bought it because it didn't offer stats that were desirable since it only offered AS.

Poske10/17/2016, 12:31:20 PM1 votes

So would you rather have hurricane as trash tier item which it was for 5 OTHER FKing seasons

And I always felt crippled as a Twitch back when hurricane was trash tier item

Hurricane is at FKING great spot atm no reason to change that

Rylai is OP. The fact that the item is viable on syndra just means its OP Having said that I never buy it on her because whats the point of your abilities slowing when 1 already does and the other stunns -.-

People buy rylai on her mostly for 100 ap and 400 hp

bill8410/18/2016, 2:01:02 AM1 votes

It's actually kind of funny to go Sivir item 3085 because it just makes it so that there are blades everywhere.

LuunaLily10/18/2016, 2:14:01 AM1 votes

People complain about the tiniest bits of synergy with champion's kits. It gets a little out of hand sometimes... Ashe's synergy with it is great and makes her actually useful for once. It helps Twitch apply his passive in teamfights. It helps Jinx the aoe monster she's supposed to be late game. I think people forget that there aare adc's that don't like hurricane, their just not as meta right now... Though... Regarding Caitlyn, I think we can admit that her passive is kind of a toxic play pattern in the first place. Also Kindred loves hurricane because it applies their passive a lot. So please don't shoot an already crippled jungler in the kneecaps. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

underscores22210/18/2016, 5:34:42 AM1 votes

The issue with the item is that it works too well with what ADCs want to do. Back when it just gave attack speed and no crit, it was only built on about three ADCs - twitch, varus and kalista. Each of these wants to stack stuff on as many people as possible, which requires attacking as fast as possible.

Now it has attack speed (which everyone loves), crit (which fits into 90% of ADC builds) and lets them deal damage to multiple targets (bonus)

Attack speed alone (old version) made it inefficient compared to the attack speed/crit items like Phantom dancer or attack speed/damage items (blade of the ruined king).

A "traditional" ADC build of IE, lifesteal, and a zeal item benefits less from more attack speed than more crit (assuming you aren't already at 100% crit). However, the ability to get both, and a snazzy passive that lets you deal even more damage (and also crits) is the reason hurricane has become so popular.

DREADN0UGHT10/18/2016, 5:37:06 AM1 votes

Its not that they NEED it, its just that its so fucking broken right now it would be dumb not to build it.