If Viktor gets nerfed, I am quitting league permanently.

Moe Szyslak·3/11/2015, 11:01:05 PM·227 votes·16,057 views

My two main mids are Viktor and Veigar. We all know what happened to Veigar, so I won't go there in this post. I want to focus on Viktor instead.

A LOT of people are asking for Viktor to be nerfed because he suddenly saw some LCS play. A LOT of people are saying Viktor is OP, and I've even seen some claiming Viktor has no counter-play late game due to his burst (top lel when people claim this).

Here's what I have to say: the champ is in a perfectly fine spot right now, and doesn't need to be changed. He has his strengths. And he also has his weaknesses. Just like any other champ in this game should.

Yes, he gets powerful AoE damage late game with his E and his Ult. Yes, if you buy Lich Bane, it stacks with his Q beautifully and he can do a lot of damage with it. It's almost like the Lich Bane combo was intentional, especially considering how it's a recommended item when you open up the shop screen. However, high AoE damage does not make Viktor overpowered - it is his ONLY strength. You see very similar style of play out of other mages like Brand and Xerath. Anyway, let's discuss what Viktor sucks at.

First, I'll talk about his obvious weakness. The dude has no mobility. Even with his augmented Q (which costs 2000 gold, because if you don't augment E first you've lost your lane), he is a slow as crap. The Q only works if you land a hit on something, so you either need to burn the initial Q damage on a minion for your speed boost, or you have to get within striking range of an enemy champ to use it, which puts yourself in danger. Contrast this to LeBlanc, who pretty much has very little counter-play if she gets fed early due to her excessive burst damage and mobility.

Also, since we're on the topic of mobility, Viktor has no gap closer. It's easy to just out run him, especially since his W (the stun bubble), requires enemy champs to stand in it for a short duration before they're actually stunned; more often I find his W to be only useful for zoning or in defensive situations, and rarely ever do I actually stun anyone with it.

Second, many champs can easily counter or be played very effectively against Viktor by simply outmaneuvering and bursting him down. I'll name just a few obvious ones: Ahri, Akali, Leblanc, Zed, Talon. Many of these champs can get close to Viktor to inflict heavy damage, and easily maneuver out of harm's way when he can retaliate. This is exacerbated by the fact that VIktor's E is difficult to use at short ranges, especially when an enemy is standing directly next to him; in some situations, it's glitchy/downright broken and Riot should probably fix it for Vik at some point. Further, mages with heavy CC can give Viktor a lot of trouble, e.g., as Annie, Cassiopea, and Morgana. Because Viktor's Q is reliant on getting within close range, he opens himself up to being CC's and bursted by such champs. Finally, tanks like Cho and Malph are generally also very problematic, as Viktor is mana hungry and tanks can out-sustain his mana consumption.

Anyway I'm going to wrap up the post here because honestly most of you won't read this far before posting your opinions anyway. Overall, please stop being noobs and asking for nerfs just because you got trashed by a champ you know don't know much about. I really dislike that many people immediately react by asking for nerfs instead of actually stepping back, learning about champs they are unfamiliar with, and realizing Viktor is quite balanced already.

216 Comments

Sooko3/11/2015, 11:24:44 PM77 votes

My friend kept saying Viktor was one of the least viable mid laners in existence. When he gets picked in LCS: "OMG buying this champ for sure, so stronk!"

I'd cri but I am out of item slots for tears.

LoLKiru3/11/2015, 11:04:36 PM45 votes

Gonna agree and argue that just because you've been in the LCS, doesn't make you absurdly overpowered, just good (and isn't that the end goal for a champion design wise anyway, to be good enough to see competitive play)

I'd even go as far as to say that a majority of champions in the game are LCS viable, given the right conditions and meta (though it confounds me as to why Viktor was played, assassins DO still exist, and while Gravity Field is extremely powerful, anyone with a dash or blink can escape it rather easily; I didn't see any of the matches with him though so maybe I'm missing something)

fwL7umeoQe3/11/2015, 11:38:10 PM27 votes

As a Viktor main, I can definitely say people need to stop with this "Nerf Viktor" bullshit. Not a SINGLE person ever said Viktor was OP until the pros started playing him. His winrate is mediocre too. It downright pisses me off, mostly because riot likes nerfing champions that get the spotlight for a short time. Stop riding the bandwagon kids, Vik is FAR from OP.

Lysdexic13/11/2015, 11:07:40 PM25 votes

Upvoted as soon as I saw the word "exacerbated". But in all seriousness your post has some really good points in it. The lack of mobility in exchange for burst, and the no gap closer points especially. But I would like to point out that now, especially after Veigar's stun got nerfed, Viktor's stun is actually a better version of it, specifically because if you are inside for the full duration it is unconditional. This is made easier by the fact it has a very severe slow attached to it, so if you can land it right on top of them they have very little chance to get out before they are stunned. It isn't perfect by any means but it is still in a good condition.

Rhenoware3/11/2015, 11:50:19 PM18 votes

downvoting so riot doesnt see this and then nerfs him just because of this post -_-

Maximum Zilean3/11/2015, 11:26:27 PM13 votes

I agree, Viktor just fits the meta really well right now and isn't OP at all, he has a really strong mid-late game and still has key weaknesses. Its nice seeing the pros pull out champions who don't have 20 blinks in their kit and using more variety now.

Viktor is only the begining of this is my guess.

Today Viktor, tommorow Brand or something.

Conturbatio3/11/2015, 11:29:10 PM12 votes

Wait.... There are people complaining about Viktor? I didn't know that this champion had something to whine about.

Kitten of Evil3/11/2015, 11:24:04 PM10 votes

Absolutely agree with all of this.

Want to counter a Viktor? Singed Chogath Sejuani Any tank with a gap closer will do the trick.

I played Vik in ranked somewhat recently, and the enemy Singed made me cry every time. I could do absolutely nothing to him once he got a bit of MR. W-stun works too slowly, E Q and R do damage and that's about it (well okay Q has a tiny shield that eats maybe 1 tick of Singed poison).

Zenba Cat3/12/2015, 2:38:20 AM9 votes

Thanks for making this. More mains need to write posts explaining what champions are good and bad at, and someone needs to compile it into some giant meta guide. If Riot actually ends up nerfing this guy I'll probably quit as well because of how stupid that would be.

BlackLifesMatter3/11/2015, 11:16:02 PM9 votes

Agreed, Viktor is honestly not that great and has an incredibly weak early game until he saves up enough for that first E augment

TonyTonyMordecai3/12/2015, 2:28:37 AM6 votes

Hey, a post explaining a champion's unique interactions with other champions that ACTUALLY makes them balanced! +1, because I don't think Viktor is OP either. If he gets fed, he's going to be stronger. His unique item is the ONE thing that makes him have some advantage, but not much. It actually takes some thought to choose between item(rabadons) or ability, because both cost gold.

junglerboy163/12/2015, 1:03:18 AM6 votes

Wait, People are asking for one of the most balanced mid lane champions in the game to be nerfed? Where might I ask are these threads? He showed up in LCS and had mediocre success, and has very clear, obvious counterplay, so at most I can see them touching his damage by a hair and then leaving it be (like, look at Lissandra, she is a MUCH more popular and successful pick than he is and only just now got a love tap one her Q damage. I think Viktor is safe since he has such a low pick rate and isn't actually OP.

The Whamboozler3/12/2015, 5:48:18 AM6 votes

Lee Sin is the go-to pick for jungle for at-LEAST 2 seasons. "Acceptable."

Viktor is picked in the LCS two or three times. "OMG NERF PLS!"

Mana regen is nerfed into the ground. "OMG, only resourceless, mobile assassin-type champs are viable in mid anymore!"

A mana-using mage is played mid in the LCS and doesn't immediately go 0/10. "OMG, that guy is broken! NERF!"

People have no idea what they're talking about. Most of them need to shut up and go back to poorly copying LCS picks and strats and leave the thinking about game balance and who is OP or not to the game designers.

DrCyanide3/12/2015, 11:44:09 AM5 votes

Take note, ladies and gentlemen. This post shows weaknesses that aren't in the following categories:

  • "Just CC him" (because this works on every squishy champion. The OP did mention CC, but also explained what would put Viktor in a situation to be CCed)
  • "Just rush " (when a specific item is needed first, it might be a sign there's a problem with that champion's early game)
  • "Just take Exhaust" (while more agreeable than take an item, Exhaust will limit the damage output of any champion. If you need to take it every match up, then their scaling/base stats are probably too high)
76Summers3/12/2015, 1:21:57 AM5 votes

nerfed for what??? this community is out of hand....

werewolvecaster3/12/2015, 3:46:30 PM4 votes

Rito plz stop nerfing champions that have a chance at being noticed that aren't your bs stupid manaless bitchh assassins

IreScal3/12/2015, 5:27:00 AM4 votes

Viktor is my last mid to be untouched by Riot's nerf bat. LEAVE THE RUSSIAN ALONE!

Seriously, though, I didn't watch any LCS (I had to just look up how to type that even) but I hope this doesn't mean nerfs for him. He's fine, absolutely perfect the way he is. His damage can be high, but he trades this for no escapes, mobility, slow movement, slow animations (sorta) AND squishiness (As everyone else has said). Comon'. Please, anyone wanting nerfs "cause reasons" just learn to play around or against a champ for once, gdi.

Ending venting rant. In summary, I hope the nerf calls are sarcasm. I've had to live through kayle's to much too take another blow (and ahri, though some nerfs on both were warranted)

Rrett3/12/2015, 6:09:05 PM4 votes

I played veigar only.

Life sucks.

The Hexmage3/12/2015, 7:12:32 PM4 votes

I'm main Viktor for a lot of time and I was exactly thinking the same. Right now Viktor is a little popular... and I don't like what's happening, if a new item appears and it makes Viktor more powerful I can see totaly a big nerf to him (Like little and evil Veigar )

Serpens3/12/2015, 12:30:22 PM4 votes

People should learn that LCS play just means the champ fits what the pros are looking for at the time. Doesn't mean the champion is op. I dread the day when my dear Malzahar sees LCS play with all these sheeple item 3070

Shox v33/12/2015, 7:17:18 AM3 votes

Seriously...

I am in a game where the team was begging our first pick to play viktor because he's and I quote, 'OP'

FUCK THIS SHITTY GAME I WILL LOSE MY SHIT IF VIKTOR GETS NERFED AND/OR PRIORITY PICK

NeoScout3/14/2015, 3:10:39 AM2 votes

I feel you, all my favorite champions have been reworked into something boring and differnt different.... karma, maokai, veigar, etc meanwhile champions like ahri, lee and zed are immune to heavy nerfs

I Nut To Taliyah8/11/2015, 8:16:38 PM2 votes

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