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Today I learned: "Diamond 4 is low trash ELO where no one can play and it is all noobs."

SaltyToplaneGoat·10/20/2018, 8:29:52 PM·38 votes·20,036 views

So apparently being in the top 1% of players - literally - is not worth anything. Challenger and Master plus diamond make up for ~2,2% of the playerbase, at least in EUW. The vast majority of them is Diamond Five, 1,43 points from those 2,2 mentioned before. So, by simple substraction, I am now in the top ~0,8% of players on my server - and that's not good enough.

This is one massive disortion in the perception that should be adressed - you can't point at a single field or profession, and claim loudly that those in the top 1-2% in their field are garbage or bad. That's not how it works. Riot, this really needs fixing.

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Silly Neeko10/20/2018, 8:39:52 PM24 votes

Ive played vs quite a few diamonds that were just utterly bad. Often times they start raging at their team for not winning their lane for them and then rage quit or start trolling and feeding because "well if i aint going to win this game im gonna have fun trolling"

Most of the diamonds ive fought cant win their lane by themselves, they OVERLY rely on their team mates to win their lane for them. If they lose then its never their fault because they are diamond and are in the top 1-2%~ and that instantly means they are better than everyone else.

Pardon the rest of us when that is the attitude shown by so many diamond players. Obviously we are but simple worms in your presence.

Heck, ive actually beat a adc main by getting them once, then their entire mentality was thrown off for the entire game. They kept trying to do things because at that point that is what they should be able to do.... but cant.

420 grams10/20/2018, 8:57:45 PM14 votes

Where'd you hear that from? The only people I see that from are streamers (who play the game as their career) who are stuck in Diamond because "their low diamond trash teammates" and they don't want to admit they stopped improving at the game to keep up with new good players.

Fízz v210/20/2018, 9:13:25 PM3 votes

Depends, low diamond players are obviously good compared to most of the community, but compared to master-challenger+ its still pretty low. Also its a lot easier to just play league than to be a chemist for example, so its also easier to be in the top 1% in league.

MagicalDemons10/21/2018, 4:10:02 AM3 votes

Don't worry, every elo is trash according to these so called "smurfs". I still get the odd dickhead on my team who complains about high plat being "low elo".

Rock MD10/20/2018, 11:04:15 PM3 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/0uGjJELj-plat-for-3-seasons-cant-get-out-of-silver-this-season?comment=0007

At the end of the day low Diamond is still better than 98% of the community but compared to the wide range of things you still have to learn to get good I've never dealt with an elo range more insufferable than D5

You familiar with the concept of diminishing returns? It states that as you put more effort in the higher you go the less you get as a return. It's why you can climb to Gold only knowing how to cs well and then group on a gold lead. Once you get to D5 you need so much more to get into ~D3 and it shows in the gameplay quality.

ez mental boom10/21/2018, 1:28:34 AM3 votes

People get their opinions from influencers. When the top influencers happen to be challenger players, silverbois absorb those opinions and become firmly within the dunning-kruger effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

ValyrianBlade10/21/2018, 1:40:15 AM3 votes

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This is one massive disortion in the perception that should be adressed - you can't point at a single field or profession, and claim loudly that those in the top 1-2% in their field are garbage or bad. That's not how it works. Riot, this really needs fixing.

You can do this of nearly any field or profession actually, it just depends what you consider to include in the denominator.

I mean, yes, the top 1-2% of pro tennis players are definitely not garbage. However, literally anyone that can run and use their arms can play tennis. So exclude everyone that has some sort of disability where they couldn't play, exclude people that aren't in a reasonable age range (like let's say only include age 18 to 40) and you still have probably over a billion people in the world in that range. The top 1% would be the 10 millionth best player.

Now put the 10 millionth best tennis player in the world in a match against anyone in the top 200 of the ATP. I would be utterly shocked if he wasn't beaten 6-0 6-0 6-0. I'd actually be surprised if he got more than a handful of points (almost all won off of the pro's unforced errors / double faults).

And yes, if you had that game and had a stadium of fans in it who didn't know what was going on, they probably would call that 10 millionth best player "garbage or bad".

Even if you wanted to restrict it to people who actually played tennis, you'd get the same result.

Especially as you approach the top tier of games or sports, the discrepancy in skill gets larger and larger. It's hard to believe, but the difference in skill between a tennis player on his high school team and the worst kid in the skill is probably less than the difference in skill between the 500th best player in the world and the 50th.

Bob the Toastr10/21/2018, 4:45:22 AM2 votes

People will always try to rank shame, unless you are literally Faker himself. Just ignore them.

Thot Patrol Ashe10/20/2018, 10:45:27 PM2 votes

Imo i get that alot in gold 4. People say gold is trash, yet it technically means youre better than 7 out of 10 players. Which while not as good as diamond is still a respectable achievement. I peaked in p5 by playing janna in ardent meta and now float around mid gold. I know i could probably do better but considering the only difference in rewards for plat or diamond is a different border and icon i don't really feel like that's worth the effort of struggling through hundreds of games. I reached plat before and to me it was no different than gold. the rewards did nothing extra and unless you're challenger or master tier no one really cares if you're plat or what ever.

Herlgar10/21/2018, 3:05:11 PM2 votes

How exactly is Riot supposed to change players' perception of ranks?

Cool Pajamas10/21/2018, 10:17:02 PM1 votes

If you looked into the ranked changes riot are making with next season (adding 2 new ranked areas) This will push and pull players into better skilled categories for match ups. You can debate it's value based off where they decided to put the ranks (grandmaster and iron), but I'm pretty sure Riot has far more information, calculations, and statists on why they made those choices. So, we'll see how it pans out.

LeftyRaydy10/22/2018, 4:19:16 PM1 votes

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So apparently being in the top 1% of players - literally - is not worth anything. Challenger and Master plus diamond make up for ~2,2% of the playerbase, at least in EUW. The vast majority of them is Diamond Five, 1,43 points from those 2,2 mentioned before. So, by simple substraction, I am now in the top ~0,8% of players on my server - and that's not good enough.

This is one massive disortion in the perception that should be adressed - you can't point at a single field or profession, and claim loudly that those in the top 1-2% in their field are garbage or bad. That's not how it works. Riot, this really needs fixing.

Listen the whole low Elo comment is just to make 90% of the playerbase feel better. Think about it, I am in the top 4% of players in the game yet I am still "low Elo". They say this because it makes them feel better because they are low Elo, but everyone apparently is in low Elo until Diamond 1 or higher which is funny because that is only .12% of the playerbase. Diamond 1 = .07% Master .03% and Challenger .02%. I consider anyone plat 3 or high elo as it is the top 5% of the player base but that is just my opinion.

Harden Stepback10/22/2018, 7:48:41 PM1 votes

Simply stop playing ranked.. it isn’t worth it. I decayed from D4 to I think P2 now and it honestly doesn’t matter... ranked is just cancerous and honestly bad for ones mental health.

New5675/30/2019, 5:39:34 PM1 votes

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So apparently being in the top 1% of players - literally - is not worth anything. Challenger and Master plus diamond make up for ~2,2% of the playerbase, at least in EUW. The vast majority of them is Diamond Five, 1,43 points from those 2,2 mentioned before. So, by simple substraction, I am now in the top ~0,8% of players on my server - and that's not good enough.

This is one massive disortion in the perception that should be adressed - you can't point at a single field or profession, and claim loudly that those in the top 1-2% in their field are garbage or bad. That's not how it works. Riot, this really needs fixing.

I dont agree with that just bc u got some people who got boosted or just had a bad game or they were tired its normal they fail and by ur words i believe u flame them and as they got d4 they dont really care if they lose rn bc they alrady got smth they wanted and like if u just ranked up u not gonna be upset or really care if u lose 1 game bc u wont insta derank, i believe people in that elo when they want they are skilled and they are good u just have to find a way to cooporate with them

FOR JUSTICE5/30/2019, 6:02:49 PM1 votes

anyone in a high rank will just say anyone below them is trash.

just pat yourself on the back in being in the top ~3% dude, that in itself is amazing.

edit: alright who was the asshat to bump this back to the top of recent?

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