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Fiddle is sitting at a 45% winrate

Mîsêry·12/7/2017, 10:26:22 PM·24 votes·1,580 views

I'm honestly not surprised to see that my old main has a 45% winrate, pretty much every mage out damages him and out runs him. Is it just me or does fiddle boi need some major buffs to make him viable again?

I really tried to main him after making a new account and coming back to league, he's just too weak and under whelming now as much as it sucks to say.

HIs ult is in a good place as well as his Q but I feel as if heneedsbetter ratios and base damage on his w and e

38 Comments

THE RlVER KlNG12/7/2017, 11:31:30 PM30 votes

fiddle needs a vgu

koshkyra12/8/2017, 2:35:28 AM12 votes

His kit is too toxic and unfun/binary to play against for him to be viable.

Think: pre-rework poppy. Incredibly unfair and antifun kit, basically broken, so they had to keep her out of viability for her to remain fair.

Fiddle is no different. Point-and-click 2.25 second stun, bullshit 1v1 with his W until like level 11 where people start bursting and damage increases a lot, E is incredibly unfun to play against (clears 80% of the wave then pokes you multiple times), his ult basically gauruntees a kill if they aren't named maokai.

HudnofskiBleh12/8/2017, 2:05:20 AM11 votes

Honestly, Fiddles is cancer when he is strong. He needs a rework imo. What's an integral part of his kit that would need to be transferred to a reworked Fiddles?

invisiblecat112/8/2017, 3:31:38 AM6 votes

Riot should not, and will not buff his E or Q, as they are point and click CC His W could use buffs, but it is already the most damaging basic ability in the game, better ratios won't help

Best Vi Earth12/8/2017, 10:18:51 AM4 votes

nope keep him in the dirt along with shaco

xxxDogmanxxx12/7/2017, 11:46:21 PM4 votes

He just needs either a 0.5 second initial root on his Ultimate, or an extra 1.5 seconds on his Passive movement speed.

WaffIeMaker12/8/2017, 6:35:43 AM3 votes

he just doesn't fit into the dynamic anymore, everyone is so mobile and does so much damage he just gets shit on until he can afford zhonyas

Lord Phazanor 12/8/2017, 12:07:54 AM2 votes

I've been spamming it a lot (A LOT) since preseason as support and I never had this much fun. I litterally never lost lane in more than 20 games and always got more damage dealt and vision.
Now, if you mean the other roles, I can't help since I didn't play him before, so I can't compare. But in my experience, he's alright as support.
I'm sure it's because you don't spam laugh enough. His laugh is his most potent tool.

AdeBug12/7/2017, 11:54:53 PM2 votes

ya was surprised of his stats, over 50% or smth as support.. what? he's a jgler and mid laner, and when I would try him as support few months back, people would be questioning me in champ select

what happened, rito? what did u do to my boi genderless awesome creature?

Barkley12/8/2017, 3:03:20 AM1 votes

I mean... fiddlesticks is fantastic into a few mid lane matchups. He's pretty decent into a few jungle matchups too.

Next time you're playing mid and the enemy locks in Yasuo, pick fiddlesticks and just watch the enemy yasuo rage for the rest of the game. He literally can't do anything vs fiddles. Tries to farm? Crows. Tries to attack you? Fear, crow, drain. Ults you? E him as soon as you see his tornado come up, he'll hit you with tornado but won't be able to ult. Tries to skirmish? Drain... drain... drain... are you done yet? Oh, ok... drain... drain....

Yasuo roamed? Cool.. push lane, also roam. Fiddles ulti > yasuo anything.

Team fight? See above. Fiddles kit > yasuo kit

Yasuo split pushing? Haha funny... fear, crow, drain, free gold.

Yasuo can do literally nothing. He doesn't get to play league of legends if fiddlesticks exists.

Blåbæret12/8/2017, 3:24:13 AM1 votes

Fiddle needs buffs, but his kit too toxic for that to happen.

TheySeeMeWardin12/8/2017, 3:46:55 AM1 votes

The champion that made me start playing league (I saw him in one of the cinematicas) and is my most played jungler.... I wish someone actually cared about him on the balance team.

MagicalDemons12/8/2017, 5:13:13 AM1 votes

needs a rework tbh buffing and nerfing can’t fix his awful kit

MorgManBasher12/8/2017, 6:33:50 AM1 votes

Fiddles Q, E and R are great, it's his drain that completely sucks. This is why Fiddle mid and support are overall better than his jungle, at least in my opinion. You get to max e and q first when not jungling.

I feel electrocute is the only keystone worth using on him btw....the metor and aery pokes okay, but fiddle is more about all in damage and bursting carries down.

ModAcademy Kayn12/8/2017, 7:07:02 AM1 votes

Fiddle needs a lot more than buffs to be viable, especially when all his damage is Click and point, save Ult but being relatively near someone is around the same idea.

Best FiddIe NA12/8/2017, 8:16:17 AM1 votes

Just found this thread! Personally, I have lived and breathe fiddlesticks every single year from 2010. This champ has so much potential, only in the right hands. One of his biggest weaknesses is his ability to farm. You can not farm under turret with him. You can hope to toss a random E and pray it kills a minion. Although players don't know this trick, but if played well, he can actually cheese kill opponents when properly using his E bounce combined with his W drain and even better when done in his ult quick enough with Q fear.

I lane with him every day either top mid or sometimes jungle, and I can safely say, i've played him better than the average fiddle. He's a one trick pony, but he definitely deserves more.

He deserve a model update more than anything, because what he looks like is kind of an outdated little stick dude. Poor fiddle, never sees the light! No shirts, no figurines, no nothing (okay idk what that meant) but you know what i mean! He needs

Troll for Trump12/8/2017, 8:23:28 AM1 votes

He's a squishy mage that needs to charge into the middle of a fight with his R, stand still and channel to use his W (which is his main DPS), and has not just one, but TWO targeted CC abilities.

Update.

OP Garen Support12/8/2017, 8:24:16 AM1 votes

You dont live long enough to drain back all the damage dealt to you. Either nerf damage overall or buff fiddle HP/tankiness.

PokladnicaZla12/8/2017, 8:50:24 AM1 votes

Fiddle makes me want to rage quit on ARAM :(

Jmman12/8/2017, 3:33:45 PM1 votes

As a fiddle main I only play support and some mid for the last two season.

He is strong support because of fear and poke. Then his ult can make up for your bad mid liner that has not damage late game.

His issues

Lane - Farm really sucks. The crow bounce change means he is force to use AA or drain to get farm. He spells are mana heavy.

Jungle - just remove him from jungle. Doesn't clear quick enough and needs too much mana. There is a reason only AD and tank junglers are strong. Sure he still can jungle just balance his around mid and support would be easier.

Support - think he is in a ok spot atm.

General - Drain mana issues. Only ticks two or three times on average not the 5 times it is budgeted for. The mobility creep and all the stuns make drain and ult an issue. All the shield stop drain healing effects. The addition on new rune direct nerf to fiddle.

Fixes.

"q" is changed to "Fear me" comsumes all endless fear charges. Target gain a greaves smokescreen effect for .50 per charge. Target is also fear for .25 secs per charge. Targets within 150 units are feared for and extra .50 sec. This will allow fiddle to have a close fear for dives but also stop the flash fear for a good cc.

Add effect on "e". Minions hit with crow are marked for 5 secs. Any damage done to them by fiddle procs 10 + (20% ap) magic damage. This would help is farming without more damage to champs

Drain is now a tether that you can moved with. Damage is reduced 1/3 to 1/2 Mana cost adjusted to reflex this. Just update the kits to be more mobility but also reduce the standing drain tanking.

Ult can now but cast on an ally. If cast on an ally the damage is reduced by 50% and mana cost are increased by 50%. When cast fiddle can select ally or himself. 1.5 sec cast time. If cast on self fiddle "ult" wont start until he click when direction to jump at. If cast on Ally it just swarms over ally no jumping evolved.

Passive changed to Haunting the night

damaging enemies cause them to get a stack of endless fear. -5% MR per stack stacks 5 times. Fiddle gains 2% movement speed toward Endless fear enemies.

Just some ideas on an update

Based Yager12/8/2017, 3:46:06 PM1 votes

Fiddles is an annoying shitstain to deal with when he's meta. I'm glad he's in the garbage can.

Eternal Torment12/8/2017, 12:08:26 AM1 votes

Honestly, the best reasonable not-broken buff fiddle can receive is that his W uses Up mana per second which over the 5 second channel adds up to the known total costs.

Fiddle has one single issue as a jungler. His ganks are very late because of his slow clear and the fact that half the time he cant gank either way because he has no mana from using his W 3x which at lvl 9 already costs more than his ult does, on a spammably short cooldown. Mana issues are a no no for gankheavy junglers, and thought it has kept fiddle majorly in check, These days it is his E and not his W that makes him any viable at all, so buffs to the W wouldn't be gamebreaking, but necessarily helpful

Xilixer12/8/2017, 10:48:22 PM1 votes

i misread that as fizz and i got so happy for a moment. then i realized i made a mistake. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

muted team chat12/8/2017, 12:26:22 AM1 votes

Drain needs to do 3x damage to camps or something. I think his damage potential and how he works in teamfights is fine, but this guy CRAWLS through the jungle even when he gets his first full item.

Or, they could make his fear run you in RNG directions like it used to.

Fedoran12/8/2017, 12:43:42 AM1 votes

Take fiddlesticks mid and rush all the magic pen items (your ult base damage is really high), then you can just press R to insta-rake their team

Doctor Dyment12/8/2017, 12:50:18 AM1 votes

I know this was his lore and I shouldn't base my gameplay hopes off of it, but in Fiddlesticks's short story he easily outruns a fully grown man who I assume was in shape. I don't know what we could change on him, but I think he needs an update. A new look, some new abilities, and maybe a new voice. I'm not sure what kind of abilities we could change while still keeping his core alive. But regardless, Fiddlesticks needs some care in this modern age.

SpecterVonBaren12/8/2017, 1:13:13 AM1 votes

You say this as if it's news.