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"fiora's % max health true damage makes it impossible to build against blah blah blah"

MissingKayo·4/15/2017, 2:26:59 PM·9 votes·3,227 views

Wow, maybe it's almost like you're supposed to play around it instead of counterbuilding.

Fun facts, so listen up.

  1. Almost 70-75% of her damage (both total and against champions exclusively) is still flat physical damage not scaling with enemy health. About 5% is magic (Riposte deals magic damage). And the rest is true damage. But you know, building armor and health is useless, right? Who cares about 70-75% of her damage anyways.

  2. In return for getting to have % max health true damage, she has lower flat damage amounts than say, an assassin or mage for example. The latter will nuke squishies with high flat damage numbers, but probably won't do shit to tanks. If someone is solely % health, then they are mostly anti-tank rather than anti-squishy because % health is inefficient for killing squishies.

  3. Continuing off the above point, it puts her equally efficient at both while becoming weaker at any one specific type. If a hit did 20% max health true theoretically, anyone would die in 5 hits (not that numbers are ever that high, but theoretically speaking to demonstrate this tradeoff). Tanks normally don't die in 5 hits. They tank longer. However, squishies usually don't need 5 full hits to die either, because they're squishy enough just 1 or 2, max 3 hits lategame could kill them easily. (And no, Fiora does not 1-3 hit an ADC unless she has like 3-4 full items, where most of them are damage, aka, she is squishy as fuck. And even then, it's because the majority of her damage is still physical flat.)

  4. Also continuing off that, killing someone full health even in a 1v1 let alone a teamfight takes a lot more effort. Annie for instance. Prep stun, drop bear to nuke victims. Not that difficult, and does massive damage. Zed against any solo squishy, R is pretty much guaranteed death for ADC. Fiora still has to duel them and get repeated passive procs off as well as most likely her ultimate if she wants to kill someone. The only case it'd differ is extreme lategame against a glass cannon carry, but even then, they would most likely have Bloodthirster and GA by that point meaning Fiora would need to be able to beat their insane DPS and lifesteal.

  5. Riposte is her last maxed ability with a massive cooldown, even with her CDR by lategame in terms of time in combat. You can easily bait it out or force it out and then she doesn't have any other survival method except Q mobility and her lifesteal. "B-B-But good Fiora's will just wait until you use something important blah blah blah." So you're telling me, out of all 5 champions on your team, that there's only one fucking champion with only one fucking CC ability? And you blame Fiora? Even someone like Yi could shit on you with a team like that.

  6. "HUR DUR DEE DA DOO I CANT 1V1" Yes she's a fucking duelist what do you expect? Would you 1v1 a Yi? A Jax? A Yasuo? A Tryndamere? A Xin Zhao?

  7. I'm sure the fucking Platinum, Diamond, Master, and Challenger players agree with your opinion she is the most broken champion ever/cancer/freelo. You know, which is why she doesn't even hit 51% winrate in any of them (50.5% or so at best). And has a banrate of barely 10-20%, dropping to as low as even 2-3% in Korea for instance. But yes, I'm sure you know better than they do. Which is why obviously Fiora is such braindead easy freelo everyone loves to abuse, right?

#I'm not disputing she is strong.

She is undoubtedly the best soloQ toplaner. That doesn't mean she's broken. The reason she's amazing in soloQ is because she is one of the champions that requires team coordination to take down and is good in 1v1s. AKA, a queue type where most people don't have any fucking coordination and aren't smart enough to not try and 1v1 her mid/lategame solo when they don't know how to or can't, because they're not another duelist. She is strong. Not broken. There's a difference.

And people whining that armor and health is useless against her are just wrong. It's that simple. Over 70-75% of her damage against champions in a game on average is still physical flat damage.

Thanks for reading.

28 Comments

KONO RUBICK DA4/15/2017, 2:40:53 PM11 votes

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Wow, maybe it's almost like you're supposed to play around it instead of counterbuilding.

tons of abilities can be played around while still leaving you the possibility to counterbuild and for some reasons, it doesn't apply to fiora

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Fun facts, so listen up.

  1. Almost 70-75% of her damage (both total and against champions exclusively) is still flat physical damage not scaling with enemy health.

false, it depends on your armor and hp if you have a lot of hp you're going to get a lot of damage from passive and ult, if you're going to have a lot of armor you're going to take less damage from crit and basic attacks and Q

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  1. In return for getting to have % max health true damage, she has lower flat damage amounts than say, an assassin or mage for example.

where the fuck are you seeing this? PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 65 / 75 / 85 / 95 / 105 (+ 95 / 100 / 105 / 110 / 115% bonus AD) on a low cd ability, MAGIC DAMAGE: 90 / 130 / 170 / 210 / 250 (WHICH IS A LOT) on an ability that slows ms+as and makes her invulnerable, and can potentially stun crit steroid

it's almost as you don't know what you're talking about

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However, squishies usually don't need 5 full hits to die either,

they're going to die in 2 hits too? she has 300 AD with BT+BC+hydr+GA+deadman, one hit followed by an AA reset(+attack speed) followed by crit (600 damage) is enough to kill any squishy if you add Q and passive damage

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Fiora still has to duel them and get repeated passive procs off as well as most likely her ultimate if she wants to kill someone.

the difficulty that it takes is hilariously low, the first vital from ult followed by an other is enough to 60-0 you in late game, considering that it's a 5v5 that's a lot. and then you get an AOE heal for your team

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  1. Riposte is her last maxed ability with a massive cooldown, even with her CDR by lategame in terms of time in combat.

and windwall has also a long cd, yet it doesn't prevent board and you my friend with them to rage so hard on yasuo

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She is undoubtedly the best soloQ toplaner. That doesn't mean she's broken.

when you force 3 people to come top because they can't 1v1 you, and then let your team a free win it's the definition of being broken

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Over 70-75% of her damage against champions in a game on average is still physical flat damage.

and here i thought that squishies like tanks are going to get killed in 5 hits no matter what?

LUL

doublelift fg4/15/2017, 2:42:20 PM4 votes

no toplaner can compet against fiora right now

not a single one except if the fiora is bronze

ACENOX4/15/2017, 3:04:14 PM3 votes

every fiora discussions are summarized by "it's working as intended" without people realising that the intention is fucktard

oh well, this is certainly sad it's life

GULAG 4 U4/15/2017, 2:30:10 PM3 votes

Someone already downvoted this lol

I guess people would rather qq instead of learning to play the game properly

SexyBabyJesusZ4/15/2017, 2:28:25 PM2 votes

her w is kind of broken (just a little bit)

i mean being able to block just about any ability in the game? come on

Emerald Fang4/15/2017, 3:28:56 PM2 votes

Completely agree with this. Fiora is also VERY situational in my opinion; if you get stuck against the wrong champion you are screwed. Any champs without CC abilities like Jax/Tryn/Yi? Fiora will lose to because while she is based on smart positioning and timing, the latter will just auto her to death while she tries to dance around them.

And ban Pantheon/Teemo. Please.

TeemoXNidalee4/15/2017, 3:51:31 PM1 votes

tl;dr

I'm a Fiora main and I'm defending my freelo

Zilona8/13/2017, 10:12:20 PM1 votes

It's still bullshit, I had a game with her just now, she was both the tank and the damage dealer. Her entire team was paper but she had so much lifesteal and damage with only a ravenous hydra and a black cleaver that we couldn't kill her 1v5. She took the same amount of damage as me playing cho and out of 50K damage she dealt, 13K was true damage(that's over 25% meaning no matter how tanky you are, she'll cut through you like paper anyway), on top of that all she has to do is hold a button and dodge everything, so yeah, she's broken af, considering that there's no other champion like her that just goes in and cuts through everything while being tanky as well.

For me she's perma ban now so I don't care what happens to her 'cause I sure as hell don't want to play against something like this again.